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Mar 3, 2021
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Cougar TD
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QB is so difficult to project to the NFL... He looks like a sure bet, and I
would select him if I was able to. But he could always be a bust, you just do not know.
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Am I crazy to think Trevor Lawrence is much better than Zach Wilson?
stev
3/3/21 10:00am
No
byuwahoo
3/3/21 10:00am
Nope. Both are going to do really well in the NFL though.
squints
3/3/21 10:01am
Odds are much better that only one does.
johnnycarson
3/3/21 10:14am
But at this point you can't tell which one.
TailgateU
3/3/21 12:29pm
Maybe
Sea Chicken
3/3/21 10:15am
I concur. Not crazy.
Richard McCoy Jr.
3/3/21 10:01am
no, but don't discount Wilson just because folks didn't think he should be the
hxmCougar2000
3/3/21 10:01am
That's fair, but it's more about his gameplay than what people thought
stev
3/3/21 10:03am
Careful now, a lot of CB's happiness in life hinges on Wilson being good or not.
MrClark
3/3/21 10:14am
true. And did you see him in 2008? Plain awful.
hxmCougar2000
3/3/21 10:58am
No you aren't. But I don't think Zach was mediocre his freshman season. Last
crack
3/3/21 10:02am
To me, his mediocrity wasn't physical, it was mental. He made many
stev
3/3/21 10:03am
Lawrence also had the best supporting cast of any QB in CFB.
Samsonite
3/3/21 10:03am
Uhhh... Bama, Georgia, LSU and tOSU would all like a word
reddead
3/3/21 1:12pm
So you agree that he has had too 5 talent around him his entire career?
Samsonite
3/3/21 1:15pm
Absolutely - although he's often been on #3/4/5, playing #1/2/3
reddead
3/3/21 2:35pm
You make great points. I will add Lawrence's stats against blue bloods:
stev
3/3/21 4:31pm
An outstanding point. Lawrence performed well in Clemson's biggest games
reddead
3/3/21 5:52pm
totally agree
stev
3/4/21 9:47am
His floor is higher. His ceiling is lower
YIsForBrigham
3/3/21 10:03am
What makes you think his ceiling is higher?
stev
3/3/21 10:06am
No. The media puts this info out to make the draft more interesting.
SLC-Warrior
3/3/21 10:04am
This seems like a reasonable point.
stev
3/3/21 10:07am
Played against good competition with insane talent surrounding him.
ochobeeguy
3/3/21 10:06am
That's absolutely true, but would you rather have the guy who has played with
stev
3/3/21 10:08am
I think it would be a mistake to pick based on who they played against.
ochobeeguy
3/3/21 1:37pm
You didn't answer the question.
stev
3/3/21 4:32pm
^^^this^^^
cmoney
3/3/21 10:09am
Lawrence is the better prospect. I think he'll be the next Andrew Luck..
SLIVER
3/3/21 10:08am
Outside of 2 to 3 games a season, Lawrence has been facing competition that
Corn Pop
3/3/21 10:11am
That's true. Let's look at his stats against teams with equal talent
stev
3/3/21 10:21am
Trevor Lawrence is a Luck or Manning.
EtTuKalante
3/3/21 10:19am
QB is so difficult to project to the NFL... He looks like a sure bet, and I
Cougar TD
3/3/21 10:23am
True. And 50% of success in the NFL is just finding the right fit.
The Y's Insider
3/3/21 10:40am
Yep, and I really would hate to see Zach have the same thing happen. Hopefully
Cougar TD
3/3/21 11:02am
Not at all.
LyleLanley
3/3/21 10:29am
Yeah, a little crazy.... based on experts. Most think the gap isn't that wide.
Benfica1
3/3/21 10:34am
I'm gonna push you on this.
stev
3/3/21 10:52am
I'm just going by what experts say.... and they say the gap isn't that big.
Benfica1
3/3/21 12:38pm
That's what you said in the first part of your response. I'm challenging
stev
3/3/21 12:44pm
fair point, but then tell me what % of Trevor's numbers were directly
Cougarclaw
3/3/21 2:06pm
In the little bit I've seen of Lawrence, I don't see a noticeable gap
OldFogey
3/3/21 10:42am
Do you see it as insignificant that TL is playing with and against NFL talent
stev
3/3/21 10:53am
Let's start with my comment of 'little bit'. I haven't really seen that much of
OldFogey
3/3/21 11:10am
Here's the problem with the competition argument.
ldssdl
3/3/21 10:52am
I think you make fair points. But look at TL's stats against great talent
stev
3/3/21 10:55am
No. But I caution against using straight stats. This isn’t pole-vaulting.
StalwartBraveTrue
3/3/21 11:27am
RE: No. But I caution against using straight stats. This isn’t
Cougar TD
3/3/21 11:36am
We had no idea you were a pole vaulting statistician! And school counselors only
OldFogey
3/3/21 11:38am
Only as crazy as Chris Simms...
civilcoug
3/3/21 12:02pm
It's different when you have a supporting cast of future NFL players
Heath Squashwell
3/3/21 1:36pm
He's also playing against a bunch more NFL players than Wilson did
stev
3/3/21 4:35pm
I guess I’ll leave it to the NFL scouts to make the call!
Heath Squashwell
3/3/21 5:18pm
Lawrence just really looks the part. Such a big dude. To me that is his single
deljdc
3/3/21 1:38pm
His single advantage?
stev
3/3/21 4:38pm
I agree with factoring level of competition but disagree strongly about evaluating him on two previous years. Remember
CLCougar
3/3/21 1:43pm
That's a really good point.
stev
3/3/21 4:38pm
Lawrence is a physical specimen. However, in the 2 championship
sandiegocgrfan
3/3/21 2:32pm
I see what you're saying, but look at his stats against blue bloods (9 games):
stev
3/3/21 4:39pm
Lawrence has been a great college quarterback from Day 1. Guaranteed NFL Star?
sandiegocgrfan
3/3/21 5:10pm
Zach was a baller his freshman year. You don't have the right perspective IMO.
'69chevy
3/3/21 3:43pm
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