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Oct 22, 2019
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Zip
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Well stated
Romney looks like one of our throwing QBs of old, Marc Wilson, Gifford Nielsen and Bosco.
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Hall or Romney
CacheCoug16
10/21/19 12:04pm
Hall. Just my opinion, no data to back it up
Stucoug83
10/21/19 12:05pm
Hall
I'mBatman
10/21/19 12:05pm
Romney did something to win the job
Zip
10/21/19 12:09pm
Biggest question???
YUBCRACRA
10/21/19 1:03pm
I think more set pass plays and run plays helped
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 1:38pm
I think our Oline and the offense in general struggle w/ the RPO offense
gymrat
10/21/19 4:36pm
I think that may be true
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 5:01pm
Maybe. But RPO and running ability may be the reason Hall was 2nd string
Cougarbib
10/21/19 5:26pm
To be honest, I think we'd be better off in the long run if we were a little ...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:26pm
ZW has been better than most on that list
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 8:33pm
I think the issue has been that the mobile QBs we’ve had have not been...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:56pm
Well Developed/Less Developed competencies
icecougar
10/22/19 11:35am
Well stated
Zip
10/22/19 9:18pm
He’s started once
puntersarepeople
10/22/19 10:10pm
No question about it! Love Hall, but Romney played solid and in control.
Cougar4life123
10/21/19 5:24pm
Poll posted a few minutes ago with the same question. Hall.
TailgateU
10/21/19 12:06pm
Hall is more talented IMO and has a higher ceiling. Romney seems to throw
Dangerous
10/21/19 12:07pm
and better OL play. This is the first game all season our OL stepped up
fulano
10/21/19 12:41pm
The other two times they were good/passable was against USC
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 1:43pm
Romney got quick throws out because there was less RPO. We need less RPO.
IdahoPotatoPicker92
10/21/19 2:30pm
Part of that was due to stretching the defense.
Coug Dude
10/21/19 4:52pm
Romney. If he struggles you put in Hall.
Junior Deputy
10/21/19 12:08pm
Hall, he’s earned it...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:08pm
How did he earn it? Seems like Baylor's done a lot more to earn it
Cougarclaw
10/21/19 12:10pm
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Cougazul
10/21/19 12:12pm
Regardless it seems to be more. Beating a ranked team vs losing to a bad one.
LaVellIfIKnow
10/21/19 12:12pm
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Cougazul
10/21/19 12:16pm
not really. Some guys get named the starter without playing a single game...
icecougar
10/21/19 7:35pm
Jake Heaps - best practice QB ever
Cougarbib
10/21/19 8:19pm
There were other factors in that win and the SFU loss...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:17pm
Who is SFU?
LaVellIfIKnow
10/21/19 12:28pm
Is that the best you’ve got?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:32pm
You son of a CBer!
Superman21
10/21/19 3:40pm
who are you referring to? Hall only had one game and looked worse
Cougarclaw
10/21/19 12:14pm
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Cougazul
10/21/19 12:17pm
Losing to USF vs a win against BSU?
JohnnyComeLately
10/21/19 12:17pm
When Hall got injured they were winning...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:26pm
They were not winning by enough
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:33pm
Not really...When Romney entered we were losing
thebruce
10/21/19 5:17pm
When he left they were winning...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 5:24pm
Nice spin.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 5:28pm
So the truth is “spin”? 😂
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 5:56pm
You got your whole truths and you got your half truths.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 8:25pm
When he left the score was 23-21 on the very next possession didn’t USF score to take the lead?
JohnnyComeLately
10/21/19 6:03pm
Yes. And what yard line did USF start at due to where Hall left BYU.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 8:21pm
Hall is the punter also?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:59pm
He actually left them for a missed field goal. Maybe if he left
Cougarbib
10/21/19 9:10pm
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Cougazul
10/21/19 12:29pm
And Romney's passing efficiency rating 154.48. Hall's was 133.62.
SpiffCoug
10/21/19 2:34pm
What number PER do you generally consider to be a good performance - good enough
Cougarbib
10/21/19 2:46pm
135. BYU is 12-4 (.750) under Kalani when hitting that number and 11-19 (.367)when not hitting it.
SpiffCoug
10/21/19 3:32pm
And what number becomes poor - unlikely to win very many games?
Cougarbib
10/21/19 3:45pm
Usually below 115 is poor. We've had 20 such games under Kalani, going 6-14 in those games.
SpiffCoug
10/21/19 3:56pm
I saw elsewhere that you posted a 139 PER for Hall
Cougarbib
10/22/19 1:55pm
Hall can break a long TD with his legs at anytime...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 3:58pm
BYU had 7 explosive* plays against USF and 6 against Boise.
SpiffCoug
10/21/19 5:00pm
that's a strength that contributes to a potential weakness...
icecougar
10/21/19 7:57pm
Seems like we have struggled the most with blitz
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 8:07pm
on 3rd down in the red zone though they seem pretty obvious blitzes...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:14pm
Romney didn’t make many long drives downfield...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:17pm
ZW has tried to throw some quick
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 8:25pm
I think last year it was something he really worked on in games...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:30pm
How did he “look worse”?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:21pm
Hall PER vs USF was mediocre at best and they are not a good defense.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:35pm
some guys look good during drill, camps & practices while others are gamers...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:05pm
In spring ball and fall camp...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:16pm
One game certainly can change that
MikeDitka'sStache
10/21/19 12:18pm
This one didn’t...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:22pm
The team rallied to him more than to Hall. Reminded me of Nelson
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:37pm
Was it Romney though? I think it was coaching that created urgency
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 1:45pm
It was probably more than 1 thing, but players rallied to lift him up and carry
Cougarbib
10/21/19 2:48pm
You realize they were winning the game with Hall in the game...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:04pm
Hall should have had them so far ahead of USF that
Cougarbib
10/21/19 4:22pm
That ridiculous....
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:26pm
When playing vs USF it is not ridiculous. Red zone failure.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 5:30pm
The major difference was playcalling and Oline play and not QB play
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 5:33pm
Hall will be the guy if he is ready to go and probably could have played
dodgersjazzcougs
10/21/19 1:07pm
It's debatable, but Romney won a game against a good team
stoils
10/21/19 3:23pm
Hall did not “lose against a bad team”...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:09pm
lol talk about ridiculous. Show us on the doll where the Romney's hurt you.
GigantorCat
10/21/19 5:55pm
So you aren’t capable of discerning ridiculous claims?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 6:27pm
Their claim isn't ridiculous, you're just being stupid.
GigantorCat
10/21/19 7:27pm
No I’m being correct 😁
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:15pm
Are you Romney’s dad?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:15pm
100% not true. When Romney entered the game for the first time, BYU trailed...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:21pm
Absolutely not true...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:27pm
ummm...pretty sure Hall started a drive at the 14:57 mark of the 4th Q...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:35pm
And Hall never left the field with BYU losing...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 9:03pm
RE: Absolutely not true...
icecougar
10/21/19 8:37pm
Looks like you were right
Jimmertime
10/21/19 10:32pm
I think your kid played baseball, so you know how winning or losing pitcher is
Cougarbib
10/21/19 8:40pm
False and a terrible analogy.:.
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 9:07pm
It is a great analogy. But, as I said, either way, give the complete picture
Cougarbib
10/21/19 9:33pm
Earned it? Him and Baylor both have one start.
MikeDitka'sStache
10/21/19 12:12pm
in practice too.
BeefNoodleSoup
10/21/19 12:18pm
Did you forget there are these things called spring and fall camps?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:23pm
Perhaps the difference wasn't huge in camp.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:38pm
It was obviously enough...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:05pm
Yikes Coachspeak!
Ned Schneebly
10/21/19 2:53pm
Keep in mind Coachspeak was saying Hall should transfer b4 the season started
Cougarbib
10/21/19 2:55pm
What does that have to do with it?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:15pm
Hall may or may not be good enough to go somewhere else and start as a freshman.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 8:58pm
That not entirely true...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:13pm
Yeah, I’ll give you that.
Ned Schneebly
10/21/19 7:35pm
Nothing either did in their single start would indicate”much better” than
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 8:25pm
But we won. And Romney got the team in position to make 1 yard and win it.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 9:02pm
If PWOs don't always get a fair shake, how can you be sure that hasn't happened
dazcoug
10/22/19 2:22am
Hall, if he's healthy, which I think he will be.
PJMort
10/21/19 12:09pm
wouldn't say he performed well, but was ok against a bad team
Mr Bassman
10/21/19 12:14pm
Hall has an extra week cuz of the bye to get his head right.
ThorLebowski
10/21/19 12:21pm
By what measure did Hall perform well vs USF. I would say
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:39pm
Threw a beautiful long TD pass...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:06pm
Don't give Romney credit for executing and selling two trick plays
Cougarbib
10/21/19 9:08pm
I don't think either of those plays was all that impressive...
CoachSpeak
10/22/19 12:29pm
No credit for selling the fake handoff and the flea. There is more to QB
Cougarbib
10/22/19 1:37pm
You act as if those are "big time" plays...
CoachSpeak
10/22/19 1:41pm
I wish Wilson made a few less big plays. Too many of his go for 6 in reverse.
Cougarbib
10/22/19 1:52pm
And I'm not "assuming" anything...
CoachSpeak
10/22/19 1:43pm
That sounds like an assumption.
Cougarbib
10/22/19 1:53pm
It’s not, Wilson gets the job back regardless...
CoachSpeak
10/22/19 3:57pm
You are hilarious. You act like it is a no brainer to start Hall now. You have
Cougarbib
10/22/19 5:49pm
I’ve read enough of your stuff now to know you don’t know much...
CoachSpeak
10/22/19 6:36pm
Try following your own nonsense. I just summarized it all for you all in one
Cougarbib
10/22/19 6:51pm
And you never are...
CoachSpeak
10/22/19 6:53pm
Hall. Too many variables in the last two games to warrant depth chart change.
NWCoug
10/21/19 12:09pm
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Cougazul
10/21/19 12:10pm
Yea this is super silly...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:25pm
That’s true but with Romney playing well last game they could go with the hot ha
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 1:49pm
Competition is always good and it should be a competition at all times...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:19pm
I think the reason you could go with Romney is that maybe you thought he was
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 4:37pm
The last 2 games provide the data that matter the most...
dazcoug
10/22/19 2:00am
Romney, but have both QBs ready to play.
MikeDitka'sStache
10/21/19 12:11pm
If Hall is chosen, the message to Romney is “there is
Yohy
10/21/19 12:11pm
Have both QBs ready to play, have some Hall wrinkle packages, but start Romney
MikeDitka'sStache
10/21/19 12:12pm
So similar to what Hall is experiencing in regards to Wilson?
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 12:27pm
I don’t know how that battle went in pre season practice.
Yohy
10/21/19 3:32pm
I get this, I really do...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:24pm
I think it would’ve been dumb to leave with ZWs injured shoulder
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 4:34pm
Definitely not dumb...
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:59pm
It wouldn’t make sense to me
puntersarepeople
10/21/19 5:05pm
The only time I would not choose talent is in the few cases where you have a guy
Yohy
10/21/19 4:40pm
I don’t think that intangible has been proven by any of the three at this point
CoachSpeak
10/21/19 4:55pm
Me too. Wilson is the guy I think is the best. But I could be wrong.
Yohy
10/21/19 5:36pm
Romney
Pony Zale
10/21/19 12:11pm
Romney.
Cougarclaw
10/21/19 12:12pm
Romney with Hall getting situational reps
ataylor
10/21/19 12:12pm
All I know is I want the same play callers on both sides of the ball.
slatecoug
10/21/19 12:14pm
Whoever wins the QB battle the next couple weeks.
fredetteaboutit13
10/21/19 12:15pm
Really hope our coaches don’t waffle about the decision.
ataylor
10/21/19 12:16pm
Spelling changes should be disabled if someone beats you to it with a lame pun
ataylor
10/21/19 12:19pm
I thought it was a solid pun.
fredetteaboutit13
10/21/19 12:20pm
Hall, unless he's not fully recovered. Then Romney.
BeefNoodleSoup
10/21/19 12:19pm
Adjusted QBR in their starts: Hall 82.9, Romney 68.2
Coop
10/21/19 12:22pm
PER is a better metric for a passer, QBR for a runner. Both are flawed for QBs that aren't hybrids.
Turnpike Lane
10/21/19 12:35pm
what was their PER then?
claw
10/21/19 1:03pm
There is a thread on this. Romney about 155. Excellent by any standard.
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:45pm
Hall and Romney are both hybrids
Coop
10/21/19 1:36pm
Adjusted for what?
Cougarbib
10/21/19 1:42pm
Strength of the opponent’s defense
Coop
10/21/19 3:18pm
Open competition in practice. Winner starts.
Sir_Ten
10/21/19 12:23pm
Hallney.... ala Nelson/Heaps versus Washington.
ThorLebowski
10/21/19 12:26pm
Romney has my vote.
cougfanz
10/21/19 12:28pm
I'd have a hard time benching Romney after the big win. Especially for a guy who
Dynasty1
10/21/19 12:29pm
Romney
zonacougar
10/21/19 12:31pm
Romney
VAcougar24
10/21/19 12:46pm
How many college teams have a QB controversy between starting the 2nd or 3rd
BYUBandfan
10/21/19 12:59pm
I imagine USC did at least slightly when their 3rd stringer beat Utah.
rtNelson
10/21/19 1:16pm
Romney!!!
Mattinidaho
10/21/19 1:05pm
How could you not start Romney?
andrewg3
10/21/19 1:16pm
Whoever gives us the best chance to beat Utah State
cougarnw
10/21/19 1:32pm
^^THIS^^ It’s all about who matches up best against their defense.
BluesBrother
10/21/19 1:40pm
I LOVE Romney's decisiveness, but I think you have to go with Hall.
Machiavelli
10/21/19 2:20pm
I would agree with you if Wilson wasn’t in the picture
cougfanz
10/21/19 2:48pm
Yeah I agree with your premise, but I think Hall gives you a better chance.
Machiavelli
10/21/19 3:02pm
How is this even a question? Romney played like Wilson on Saturday.
Ned Schneebly
10/21/19 2:46pm
well not really- snap 1 against BSU sucked.
claw
10/21/19 2:56pm
Haha, true!
Ned Schneebly
10/21/19 2:58pm
Romney in a landslide.
brejol
10/21/19 2:50pm
Romney. No question. He beat #16. Hall lost to USF.
Dr MoBYU
10/21/19 3:05pm
Hall went three and out after Ah You's INT in the third Q, which led to the
LV Mike
10/21/19 3:21pm
Agree. It appears we are talking apples to apples here.
Dr MoBYU
10/21/19 3:57pm
Romney. Go with the hot hand.
Gotnotact
10/21/19 3:28pm
Romney should start. Go with what is working right now.
CT98
10/21/19 3:30pm
You could argue that the play calling is what lead to the success against Boise
Machiavelli
10/21/19 4:30pm
Hall. To the coaches it probably isn't even debatable. They will start Hall.
Bert609
10/21/19 4:10pm
Hall, because he's the first black quarterback at BYU lol
Sale
10/21/19 4:25pm
On paper, Hall is the logical choice as he is by default the starter
Seasider
10/21/19 4:43pm
Coaches don’t want to make Jaren feel like he’s getting the shaft?
VAcougar24
10/21/19 5:54pm
Oh Brother!
Seasider
10/21/19 6:23pm
We'd be okay w both. Romney made better throws
Coug Dude
10/21/19 4:47pm
They should wrestle for the spot.
Big McLargeHuge
10/21/19 4:52pm
Pretty easy to me, ride the hot hand
USMCdad
10/21/19 6:06pm
Hall👍
kahuna
10/21/19 6:24pm
ooh...good question. I'd have to say after very small sample size I'm a strong..
icecougar
10/21/19 7:33pm
Romney, until proves otherwise
MatthiasPhunkHausen
10/21/19 8:34pm
I think I would play Hall. I was quite impressed with Romney so it is a tough
pappabear246
10/21/19 8:40pm
Romney. Let Hall heal another week. Let the O work with one guy.
byujdmba
10/21/19 9:18pm
We have a bye week
Machiavelli
10/21/19 9:23pm
Yes. He said another week. A week and another week. Give him 5 weeks
Cougarbib
10/21/19 9:35pm
Lol, that's not giving him more weeks to "heal"
Machiavelli
10/21/19 11:00pm
Romney. With Hall in certain situations.
Orem58thBall
10/21/19 10:54pm
Romney. He pulled off the win and deserves it plain and simple.
lightmann
10/22/19 12:06am
Romney, you continue where you left off since it was successful
chazen
10/22/19 12:41am
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