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CrimsonCardinal
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We’re fans. It’s a rivalry game. One of us will be wrong.
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Zach Wilson is a better qb than Tyler Huntley. Stats don't lie.
Rise Against
8/17/19 9:03am
I'm curious where you hear are you hearing the smugness and condescension,
franklyvulgar
8/17/19 9:06am
Yeah, I was impressed by Wilson so not sure what he is going on about
Rise as Utes
8/17/19 10:12am
Go on my Twitter. Handle @BYUAnime. In my Tweets and Replies
BYUAnime
8/17/19 11:39am
Zach Wilson has the chance to develop into one of the best QBs in the ncaa...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:09am
Is it more smug to suggest that senior, proven QB is not as good as an injured, still unproven sophomore?
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:12am
Utah was down 27 to 7 through 3 quarters with a FR QB
Heinz57
8/17/19 9:16am
And they lost the game
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:22am
You missed a few of my comments
Heinz57
8/17/19 9:27am
LES has good views of the mtns, but the physical stadium is rough.
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:28am
State money funded RES built outs due to the 2012 Olympics
Heinz57
8/17/19 9:35am
What do I care where the funds to build it come from?
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:36am
I wish the Olympics would build BYU a better stadium.
The Dude Abides
8/17/19 9:44am
Me too. Would be more comfortable when I go see Utah play there.
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:49am
Haha! Now that was funny!!
truecougster
8/17/19 10:44am
I don’t think any state funds were used. It got $8M of Olympic money, which was
Scratch
8/17/19 9:48am
So a handout, like the law school
pegushin
8/17/19 10:26am
UofU received a payment
Heinz57
8/17/19 11:12am
Who cares if the Olympics help get it built they built it and it's better
Upanddown
8/17/19 12:30pm
I just went to Eccles and it's not much better. Same bleacher seats.
BlueForLife
8/17/19 6:10pm
False
Virginia Ute
8/18/19 11:37am
I went to two games there last year and sat in bleachers both times...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 2:21pm
There are not that many bleacher seats. Vast majority are chairs.
Jdoc
8/18/19 3:18pm
So I didn’t sit on bleachers?
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 5:16pm
Do you have reading comprehension issues? I said there are
Jdoc
8/18/19 5:22pm
I am sorry for his constant know it all’ness.
Cougstreak
8/18/19 5:56pm
It’s what he does. Quite frankly, it’s pretty funny but sad
Jdoc
8/18/19 6:05pm
You’re struggling here...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 6:44pm
I disagree. I never said there are no bleachers or tgat
Jdoc
8/18/19 6:49pm
I was teasing you...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 8:26pm
Let’s see what Zack’s numbers look like after the first 4 games this year
P12Envy
8/17/19 11:39am
Oh, you mean these numbers?
Heinz57
8/17/19 11:45am
And you thought was using that game to practice for the Pac-12 championships
Upanddown
8/17/19 12:24pm
I don't think we put up 27 on Utah this year.
BlueForLife
8/17/19 6:09pm
And their LBs are gone and will be much worse
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 6:56pm
When was the last time Whittingham had a really bad D?
BlueForLife
8/17/19 11:36pm
Did I say they’ll be bad this season?
puntersarepeople
8/18/19 8:35am
Our OL is back, and better
BYUAnime
8/18/19 1:02pm
What’s Huntley “proven”?
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:18am
That he is serviceable. That he can win a big game.
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:23am
I’ll agree he has proven that he is “serviceable”...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:29am
How has Wilson proven that? By tearing it up against Liberty State, or by winning 3 quarters of a rivalry game?
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:30am
Anyone that can actually see can actually see he’s a better physical talent...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:37am
Son is a high school QB, thinks he’s now an NCAA talent scout ^^^
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:39am
Lets see 🤔 CoachSpeak or Virginia Ute assessment. CoachSpeak by a wide margin.
Dynomite
8/17/19 9:43am
Son is a D1 FBS QB...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:46am
Aside from your comment about him becoming one of the best NCAA QBs, I'm sure I would agree with you more than most
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:49am
What part of “has a chance” are you not understanding?
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:52am
Yeah, we all have a chance to become the best NCAA QB, I guess.
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:53am
Do “we”? Mute you’re sarcasm because it’s nkt doing you any favors...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:59am
*your
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 10:01am
So you’ve failed and that is your last resort...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 10:05am
Wow, a grammatical error comeback is all you got? Glad you took that post grad
pegushin
8/17/19 10:16am
Wow
byuguns55
8/17/19 10:57am
You can’t have a logical discussion with CoachSpeak. Just know
UNHuskerCoug
8/17/19 10:58pm
This is so rich coming from you.
crazY
8/18/19 12:33am
I’m sorry I hurt you 😢
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 8:54am
You certainly did not hurt me. You are the most entertaining member of this
UNHuskerCoug
8/18/19 3:35pm
In denial, I’m not sure what stage of recovery that is but you’ve reached it.
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 4:21pm
Just move on. This is getting silly.
Cougstreak
8/18/19 5:56pm
Then don’t participate...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 6:45pm
What is silly is “know it all’s” dominating a thread stating the same thing...
Cougstreak
8/18/19 9:26pm
Not as funny as a yewt fan trying to pretend to be a BYU fan on a BYU fanboard..
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 9:32pm
You are looking silly. When you post ~45 times in a thread that is sad.
Cougstreak
8/18/19 9:37pm
You’re catching up to me...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 9:58pm
You are proving to be very classy. Don’t like it so call names...all class.
Cougstreak
8/19/19 8:55am
It’s interesting you bring up family wealth, because that means it’s more likely
Scratch
8/17/19 10:14am
Which is why he’s already a very accurate QB and knows where to put the ball
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 2:10pm
Sounds like Jake Heaps how many years has he been in the NFL now?
Upanddown
8/17/19 2:29pm
How many of your world beater QBs are in the league? 0
pegushin
8/17/19 5:06pm
except we don't know how he will heal from his shoulder surgery
Upanddown
8/17/19 12:41pm
Ive expressed that exact concern many times on this board...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 2:38pm
Huntley has never had a great quarterback coach which Ludwig is almost had
Upanddown
8/17/19 1:30pm
I gave this POTD. I couldn’t help myself.
UNHuskerCoug
8/18/19 12:00am
Ya, like the man says, he's muted on Wilson:
kos
8/18/19 5:51pm
Liberty State isn't a school. Good try, though, bud.
crazY
8/17/19 10:06am
Wilson three a critical pick 6 in that game too!
truecougster
8/17/19 10:54am
My thoughts exactly. I honestly don’t feel like Huntley has progressed or gotten that much better from 2017 to 2018.
Nuke
8/17/19 10:37am
Go watch Huntley in October, 2018.
Et Lux in Domino
8/18/19 5:36pm
um ... isn't Huntley coming off an injury himself?
ManicBlue
8/17/19 9:40am
Collarbone; not in the same league as throwing shoulder.
Stringer Bell
8/17/19 12:43pm
Wilson is no more injured than Huntley. Wilson is not unproven either.
slatecoug
8/17/19 10:38am
Totally agree - win period
truecougster
8/17/19 10:48am
We will get back to you August 30 😉
BYUSeahawks
8/17/19 12:18pm
I'm not going to agree with Rise Against's post, but I'm a little confused as to
Sock Gnome
8/17/19 4:42pm
Just curious, what has he proven? Has he won any big games?...
icecougar
8/17/19 8:29pm
Zach Wilson - Freshman behind a young OL. Huntley - Junior behind an experienced OL.
kccougar
8/17/19 9:14am
That’s just your opinion and stuff.
cougfanblue
8/17/19 9:15am
Zach’s a good qb
I'mBatman
8/17/19 9:16am
Great post.
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:24am
I said that almost same thing in my first post...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:31am
Yeah except where you said “he may develop into one of the best QBs in the NCAA.”
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:34am
If Wilson played with Utah you’d be thinking the exact same thing, don’t lie
cougarnerd
8/17/19 9:36am
I’d be excited, but I don’t think I’d be saying “gee he may become the one of the best QBs in the NCAA” just get.
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 9:37am
Well, for good reason
cougarnerd
8/17/19 9:42am
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cougarnerd
8/17/19 9:44am
Of course you wouldn't. Your crap coaching wouldn't allow it
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 10:04am
LOL. A BYU fan calling Utah's coaching 'crap.'
Virginia Ute
8/17/19 10:05am
What Whitt has had them do with QBs the last decade is pure crap.
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 10:11am
Wasn’t ARod Whitt’s QB coach all those years?
BrobaFett
8/17/19 1:20pm
It doesn't matter who their OC is. That's the point
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 2:14pm
Actually it does.
DocPimp
8/17/19 6:15pm
Huntley is a better runner than Wilson and is also better at handing the ball
TBabyCougs
8/17/19 10:17am
Get over it yewt...Wilson dumped you guys and you are still
byuguns55
8/17/19 10:58am
Dumped us?
displacedute
8/17/19 10:59am
Yeah, but you know you wanted him and it grinds your gears
byuguns55
8/17/19 11:24am
I am ecstatic we have Wilson, he has a lot of potential, but get real...
Cougstreak
8/17/19 11:52am
*yet 🙂
sakar12
8/17/19 4:06pm
“He could” seems to me to be qualified, especially when I did qualify it in the
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:43am
RE: “He could” seems to me to be qualified, especially when I did
SWMOute
8/17/19 12:10pm
You down play Huntley so much but when has Wilson had
BrobaFett
8/17/19 1:22pm
Wilson had a really good bowl game against a bad team...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 2:43pm
He was very good against Utah and did pretty well for how bad his o line was
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 2:50pm
He absolutely had better tools than Huntley...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 3:01pm
Southwest Missouri St?
SWMOute
8/17/19 4:58pm
I didn’t mean anyone really, that’s the point...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 5:15pm
Honestly it seems like you are the one getting ‘offended’ and ‘worked up’.
DocPimp
8/17/19 5:53pm
They might have smacked WMU but they could have easily lost to Hawaii or NIU
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 6:03pm
Wilson has done notable things.
DocPimp
8/17/19 6:08pm
Except nobody did
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 8:01pm
I agree with all that. He has potential, looked really good in the Utah game
DocPimp
8/17/19 10:02pm
I did say “Huntley is who he is” and I stand by that...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 6:09pm
I think they were in other discussions we’ve had on the topic...
DocPimp
8/18/19 12:35pm
He wants a low risk offense...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 2:34pm
I agree with all that, except for one part.
DocPimp
8/18/19 2:58pm
Although I want to make it clear...
DocPimp
8/18/19 12:39pm
RE: He absolutely had better tools than Huntley...
BuckElk
8/17/19 10:56pm
He had one impressive throw.
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 11:00pm
All I’m saying is we hear this every time.
BrobaFett
8/17/19 4:05pm
You’re high of you think Wilson was willing to take a walk on at Utah and...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 4:53pm
And you're high if think that Whitt screwed up with Wilson because
Stringer Bell
8/17/19 5:42pm
Whitt did screw up....
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 6:16pm
OK, if you think so. Tuttle was a real "team Player" after he committed
Stringer Bell
8/17/19 7:00pm
I don’t think Whitt screwed anything up.
BrobaFett
8/17/19 11:01pm
You need to be honest for me to be willing to discuss something with you....
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 2:40pm
My thoughts exactly. Let’s let this season play out and see where things stand.
BoiseBlueCoug
8/17/19 9:58am
According to Huntley's career, 12 games is long for him too. He's never done it.
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 10:03am
I knew we had some rational fans! 😂
truecougster
8/17/19 10:49am
This sums up my feelings. I'm not gonna say ZW is better than Huntley at this
Resurgens
8/17/19 7:57pm
Wait, you’re relying on the stats from PFF that ranked Huntley above Wilson?
Scratch
8/17/19 9:22am
That’s how I look at it...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:26am
In general a college sophomore is going to have more potential than a college
Scratch
8/17/19 9:33am
I disagree...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 9:50am
John Beck seemed to take a big step forward his senior year, so it does happen
BYUFootballisBack
8/17/19 5:14pm
Beck was better than Huntley as an underclassman...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 6:18pm
I agree. All experts say Wilson is better
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 9:49am
There's no doubt that Zach has far, far higher upside. Whether that upside means
oxcoug
8/17/19 9:22am
Cute smiley 7 in arrow guy - let me know if you have any actual case to make
oxcoug
8/17/19 12:44pm
Here's the only fact I need: Zach rules, Tyler drools. The end.
LiveCoug
8/17/19 9:23am
Here's the link to PFF's QB rankings
Tj_utefan
8/17/19 9:44am
You just triggered this super cool twitter account
maxpowers
8/17/19 9:45am
Haha that guy is a loser.
IceCreamButt
8/17/19 9:57am
Huntley will have a heisman year!
Gandolfthewhite
8/17/19 10:08am
Zach hasnt done anything yet. Y'all are risking making the same mistake you made
Backcountry
8/17/19 10:09am
Don't bring that sound logic and reasoning here!
letthewookiewin
8/17/19 11:05am
Its something that is lacking in both fanbases
Backcountry
8/17/19 11:19am
COMPETITION MATTERS. Unanalyzed stats lie all the time. Zach started against
ALUF 1990
8/17/19 10:21am
Stanford was the only team worth mentioning on that list.
crazY
8/17/19 10:25am
Stanford had the 90th ranked pass D from S&P and they gave up
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 10:32am
Interesting. I should have looked a little more closely.
crazY
8/17/19 10:36am
USC is not worth mentioning??? UMass = USC? Stanford = NMSU? Nope
ALUF 1990
8/17/19 10:35am
Yes and all that athleticism got them 5-7
TBabyCougs
8/17/19 10:46am
Nope. They had a bad year.
crazY
8/17/19 11:32am
this isn't 2004. all the athleticism in the world doesn't make you good at football. USC was not good last year. at all.
macaroni
8/17/19 12:09pm
LOL and now you're guilty of generalizations as well.
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 10:30am
If Wilson played the whole season, the comparison would be better. He would have
ALUF 1990
8/17/19 10:40am
Sorry but if you suck at something, you suck at it. It doesn't matter
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 11:09am
4* rarely suck. Some do - see Heaps & Tuttle. It looks like
ALUF 1990
8/17/19 12:12pm
I don't care about individuals. If a coach can't get any group of athletes
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 12:29pm
you don't seem to understand the difference between strength of schedule and defensive rankings.
macaroni
8/17/19 12:10pm
The Pac South was very weak last year, not sure I’d go around talking up SOS too
chilango
8/17/19 10:40am
It is amazing how quickly U fans became P12 caricatures.
kccougar
8/17/19 11:37am
No joke. It took one or two years max.
Backcountry
8/17/19 11:42am
One game
WJCougar
8/17/19 4:52pm
PFF adjusts their ratings based on the quality of opposing units faced
Coop
8/17/19 12:20pm
oh brother! I remember one a BYU quarterback was compared with the best
grandpacoug
8/17/19 10:27am
As an Aggie fan it’s fun to sit back and watch BYU and
Truerblue
8/17/19 10:43am
Alright... you enjoy those games on Facebook Live
letthewookiewin
8/17/19 11:13am
I’d rather that my Aggies play on Facebook Live and win than have them
Truerblue
8/17/19 3:36pm
RE: I’d rather that my Aggies play on Facebook Live and win than have them
letthewookiewin
8/17/19 4:38pm
Do you actually think Utah st is going to sustain any sort of long term success?
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 5:11pm
With Gary Anderson, yes I do.
CrimsonCardinal
8/17/19 5:41pm
Will he stay more than two years? 😆
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 6:19pm
Who?
kccougar
8/17/19 11:37am
Remember the QB that put up 4 touchdowns on your amazing defense?
Truerblue
8/17/19 3:38pm
Ummmm....it’s utah state we’re talking about right?
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 5:12pm
Hey man give them some credit, they have beat BYU 5 times in the last 30 years.
IceCreamButt
8/17/19 5:59pm
And, when was the last time BYU had “one good season”?
Truerblue
8/17/19 7:43pm
You're right excuse me for speaking out of turn. I forgot I wast talking to a
IceCreamButt
8/17/19 8:23pm
Huh, looks about like BYU’s record over the last
Truerblue
8/17/19 8:34pm
Sure but our down years over the past 30 years have been the exception not the
IceCreamButt
8/17/19 8:48pm
Utah St. has been much more solid over the past decade than a majority
UNHuskerCoug
8/18/19 12:20am
How does PFF rank the two of them?
displacedute
8/17/19 10:53am
Those were the PFF rankings....
trom2foot3
8/17/19 1:52pm
Look in the corners of the boxes... Reading is hard
trom2foot3
8/17/19 2:20pm
No, those are PFF stats.
displacedute
8/18/19 8:40am
That’s obvious without question
BYUvermont
8/17/19 10:55am
RE: Zach Wilson is a better qb than Tyler Huntley. Stats don't lie.
Nationalchampions
8/17/19 11:23am
Big Z and Smooth J got this game.
PessimisticCB
8/17/19 11:25am
One thing I will say about Huntley and his stats he plays against better
Upanddown
8/17/19 12:14pm
NIU had a much better defense than almost all of the teams in the PAC 12 south
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 2:16pm
Get back to us when Zach puts up 40 points or more in a row
Stringer Bell
8/17/19 12:37pm
Get back to us when Huntley does it against better defenses than that.
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 6:12pm
Remind me again which of those D's finished in the top 50 in the nation in Total Defense?
slatecoug
8/17/19 6:31pm
Stanford and USC
Stringer Bell
8/18/19 1:33pm
If only there was a way to see who’ll win in a head to head matchup this yr...
DocPimp
8/17/19 1:48pm
Huntley has beat P5 teams. Zach has not
SlantRoute
8/17/19 2:12pm
Heinz claims that wilson is better than Trevor Lawrence. So he is for sure better than Huntley
BlueFrog
8/17/19 3:01pm
I’ve been thinking about this a lot, trying to figure out why, beyond the fact
Robbinoburrito
8/17/19 3:40pm
Why is that? Before Huntley got hurt his offense was averaging 40 pts a game,
BrobaFett
8/17/19 4:07pm
It’s simple. Huntley has close games or lost against multiple teams last year.
Robbinoburrito
8/17/19 4:58pm
I was at the Washington game...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 5:19pm
What does that have to do with how Huntley was
Jdoc
8/18/19 3:32pm
Sorry. “A stretch” is not good enough, or consistent enough, for what we’re
Robbinoburrito
8/18/19 3:50pm
That wasn’t my point. I agree Wilson has more potential than
Jdoc
8/18/19 3:55pm
I think I agree with both of you then. Huntley is very good, but I do think with
Robbinoburrito
8/18/19 4:15pm
Utah has no chance at being elite. I think most
Jdoc
8/18/19 4:19pm
I think most fans are buying the hype about a pac12 championship and...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 4:30pm
Most Utah fans I know do not believe Utah
Jdoc
8/18/19 4:39pm
I work with some and have friends that are as well...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 5:19pm
No I’m correct...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 4:27pm
No sir, you are wrong. I know you think it is impossible in
Jdoc
8/18/19 4:35pm
You’re the one that needs to look at the games and where the points came from...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 4:55pm
Here’s the breakdown...
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 5:15pm
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Jdoc
8/18/19 6:07pm
Are either of them better than Jordan Love?
Shore10
8/17/19 4:33pm
I don’t think so at this point...
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 5:21pm
I only Bring it up since we're comparing in-state qb's.
Shore10
8/18/19 7:08am
Sure, Love’s the best QB in the state right now, I agree with that.
CoachSpeak
8/18/19 9:31am
I’m a HUGE BYU fan but Huntley played
davidmj10
8/17/19 4:53pm
This is a dumb thing to argue about
CrimsonCardinal
8/17/19 5:01pm
Easy, like last year in SLC? Oh, wait...
chilango
8/17/19 5:13pm
You guys just can’t help yourselves can you?
CoachSpeak
8/17/19 5:23pm
“It will be easy”
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 5:56pm
I would expect no less
CrimsonCardinal
8/17/19 8:08pm
Why debate it? We will know soon.
Cougstreak
8/17/19 5:35pm
What was the competition and record
kapcreations
8/17/19 6:09pm
Sorry, but no
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 8:06pm
Wilson is 6'3 that's good size for a QB. That's not inferior to most CFB QBs.
pinolero
8/17/19 6:28pm
Signed Tom Brady. 😂 only teasing.
Lolo
8/17/19 6:44pm
He might not do that until he’s a senior
puntersarepeople
8/17/19 8:07pm
SoS would change things.
BlueForLife
8/17/19 6:30pm
Strength of schedule. Lurking variables my friend.
studmuffin85
8/17/19 10:45pm
Already been debunked if you'd pay attention.
Lip Gallagher
8/17/19 10:47pm
RE: Zach Wilson is a better qb than Tyler Huntley. Stats don't lie.
BuckElk
8/17/19 11:03pm
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