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Jun 24, 2019
7:58:18pm

777 All-American

How can I prove things would be better? You make your bed and lie in it. We

made ours 10 years ago, and what results are you liking about INDY. O-9 against Utah. Basketball fell apart in the WCC. Losing home games to UMASS, USU, N. Illinois. Younger fans have bolted in droves. You are hard pressed to even find BYU gear north of the point of the mountain anymore.

I mean, how could it be any worse than where Indy has taken us?

That's all I'm saying man. And every leader down there has said it's not sustainable. So what gives?

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777

Previous username: Cougarfan777
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Joined: Oct 26, 2014
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Author

Time

Truth serum: You ready for it?

777

6/24/19 6:39pm

You’re blaming too much on independence and not factoring other circumstance

crm48

6/24/19 6:41pm

Yeah, draft picks were dwindling before independence.

foofcoug

6/24/19 6:43pm

We have some very simple minded fans.

Bostonblue

6/24/19 6:41pm

At least with indy I can watch a game.

bluecheese

6/24/19 6:42pm

Everyone assumes we would have been world beaters by staying in the MWC

Cougblau

6/24/19 6:44pm

You mean we are playing MWC teams with nothing on the line? In a

777

6/24/19 6:45pm

Lol, nothing on the line! You’re always playing for pride. You play to win the

Cougblau

6/24/19 6:51pm

You can play the big boys in a G5. How do you think we built our brand? How do

777

6/24/19 6:59pm

Do you want to feel like a P5 or not? Do you want to build depth and a power

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:03pm

Really? It's trending in that direction?

TNT

6/24/19 7:05pm

Whatever. I’m glad y’all aren’t running BYU’s program. Do you

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:08pm

The current setup isn't working

TNT

6/24/19 7:10pm

So if you believe P5 is done, and you don’t want MWC like 777

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:14pm

TNT believes BYU's long-term survival is to be in a conference

TNT

6/24/19 7:14pm

That’s fair. But my entire take is not about just “waiting to get into the club”

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:21pm

BYU has repeatedly shown they don't have the depth to survive that schedule

TNT

6/24/19 7:23pm

Get back to me after this year. I think we can build that depth, you don’t and

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:26pm

How are they meaningful?

TNT

6/24/19 7:29pm

BYU was ranked #20 last year after week 4, and we were 3-1!

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:36pm

BYU cannot thrive in the Independent framework

TNT

6/24/19 7:38pm

Cool. I’ll support BYU til the day I die, and I think you will too.

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:51pm

TNT never attended BYU

TNT

6/24/19 8:06pm

Defeatist? Being a G5 built us into the program we once were. A dominant

777

6/24/19 7:13pm

So your solution is ... to close up shop? It’s not the 70s and 80s anymore.

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:16pm

We haven’t been that since the 80’s man.

che flaco

6/24/19 7:40pm

And don’t even get me started on how you’d react when BYU (Gasp) didn’t

Cougblau

6/24/19 6:55pm

Yeah our players only want to win if there is a MWC championship on the line. If

6/24/19 7:24pm

I've heard it first hand out of players mouths. Past and present.

777

6/24/19 7:27pm

I just don't see how indy would make that much of a difference with those things

swingcat

6/24/19 6:45pm

Most Y fans don't see it. Always pointing to everything else. Fans underestimate

777

6/24/19 6:49pm

When thinking of BYUs past accomplishments, is it really the past conference

che flaco

6/24/19 6:54pm

The past titles built our brand. You don't get to those Holiday Bowls and

777

6/24/19 6:58pm

If your point is that indy has been a step back from what we had in MWC...

swingcat

6/24/19 6:56pm

1. TNT doesn't want the MWC. 2. WCC sucks for hoops

TNT

6/24/19 6:58pm

You bring in recruits by winning, not by who you play. Some of the all time

777

6/24/19 7:02pm

Well I think we can agree it's a combination of winning AND who you play.

swingcat

6/24/19 7:03pm

Are you talking about the championship that Boise hosted which drew 12k less

fortysixn3

6/24/19 9:13pm

That ain't truth. That's just messing with some numbers.

oxcoug

6/24/19 6:47pm

Where is he wrong?

84 Grad

6/24/19 6:48pm

Everything and anything as it pertains to cause and effect.

oxcoug

6/24/19 6:51pm

So the Indy scheduling wasn't supposed to attract better recruits? So you

777

6/24/19 6:55pm

Not beating Utah has NOTHING to do w Indy. In our worst loss to Utah they were

oxcoug

6/24/19 7:01pm

You are missing the point. Why did we have those great years in

777

6/24/19 7:05pm

The landscape of the late 70s has zero meaningful comparable characteristics to

oxcoug

6/24/19 7:09pm

RE: So the Indy scheduling wasn't supposed to attract better recruits? So you

swingcat

6/24/19 7:17pm

He's not even arguing to a point. He's just complaining about how bad things have been as an independent.

HuskerFan2

6/24/19 7:42pm

How can I prove things would be better? You make your bed and lie in it. We

777

6/24/19 7:58pm

I fail to see how Indy is the cause of all that and how staying in the MWC would

che flaco

6/24/19 6:51pm

I’m guessing you’re not a scientist who does peer-reviewed academic studies on a

chilango

6/24/19 6:52pm

Hey hey. No reason for name calling

TNT

6/24/19 6:53pm

Yeah, BYU can't beat Utah because the team is independent...

jaromp

6/24/19 6:53pm

And Indendepence doesn't appear to utilize BYU's strengths

TNT

6/24/19 6:55pm

Could it be that BYU has been floating in the "no man's land" of independence

kolob32

6/24/19 7:31pm

Bingo

777

6/24/19 7:33pm

Correlation not Causation

Tare

6/24/19 6:58pm

How many times does BYU beat Utah if we're still in the MWC?

mwcoug

6/24/19 7:01pm

3

777

6/24/19 7:02pm

This is amazing. Thank you.

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:04pm

Was I supposed to say 0? Too bad we'll never know, and too bad it's been

777

6/24/19 7:09pm

Because there is 0 evidence that Indy is the cause of byus woes against

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:13pm

I disagree. It's a mindset. Indy has made us a lackluster program with no chip

777

6/24/19 7:17pm

That’s a theory that you have no means of proving.

Bossk82

6/24/19 7:21pm

USU hasn't passed jack. LOL. Nobody gives a rip about USU

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:25pm

Keep your head buried in the sand and ignore this stat....Since 2010

777

6/24/19 7:31pm

Phil Steele himself said on the radio the other day that USU hasn’t passed BYU.

Bossk82

6/24/19 7:43pm

Yeah and they womped BYU last year

TNT

6/24/19 7:43pm

They sure did. Embarrassing for sure.

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:47pm

So if BYU wasn’t independent, the team wouldn’t have all those countless

Bossk82

6/24/19 7:20pm

RE: 3

che flaco

6/24/19 7:11pm

Ever since the Wikileaks scandal broke, we can't beat Utah. Curse you Assange!

Goliath

6/24/19 7:06pm

And you think staying in the MWC would have stopped the losses to Utah?

mudpupper

6/24/19 7:11pm

RE: And you think staying in the MWC would have stopped the losses to Utah?

777

6/24/19 7:19pm

BYU independence is causing global warming and the bees to die.

Eddie

6/24/19 8:10pm

RE: BYU independence is causing global warming and the bees to die.

777

6/24/19 8:22pm

Truth Serum. Since Indy.

Bin01015

6/24/19 8:11pm

Can't argue that. If that's what it's about great.

777

6/24/19 8:23pm

Not my preferred approach but afraid some in admin might.

Bin01015

6/24/19 8:52pm

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