Everything and anything as it pertains to cause and effect.

Jun 24, 2019
6:51:20pm

oxcoug All-American

Not beating Utah has nothing to do with us being independent.

What does not winning a championship even mean? Not a meaningful point.

Our draft picks didn't "plummet" at all - we've had crap NFL rep for most of this century.

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Time

Truth serum: You ready for it?

777

6/24/19 6:39pm

You’re blaming too much on independence and not factoring other circumstance

crm48

6/24/19 6:41pm

Yeah, draft picks were dwindling before independence.

foofcoug

6/24/19 6:43pm

We have some very simple minded fans.

Bostonblue

6/24/19 6:41pm

At least with indy I can watch a game.

bluecheese

6/24/19 6:42pm

Everyone assumes we would have been world beaters by staying in the MWC

Cougblau

6/24/19 6:44pm

You mean we are playing MWC teams with nothing on the line? In a

777

6/24/19 6:45pm

Lol, nothing on the line! You’re always playing for pride. You play to win the

Cougblau

6/24/19 6:51pm

You can play the big boys in a G5. How do you think we built our brand? How do

777

6/24/19 6:59pm

Do you want to feel like a P5 or not? Do you want to build depth and a power

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:03pm

Really? It's trending in that direction?

TNT

6/24/19 7:05pm

Whatever. I’m glad y’all aren’t running BYU’s program. Do you

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:08pm

The current setup isn't working

TNT

6/24/19 7:10pm

So if you believe P5 is done, and you don’t want MWC like 777

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:14pm

TNT believes BYU's long-term survival is to be in a conference

TNT

6/24/19 7:14pm

That’s fair. But my entire take is not about just “waiting to get into the club”

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:21pm

BYU has repeatedly shown they don't have the depth to survive that schedule

TNT

6/24/19 7:23pm

Get back to me after this year. I think we can build that depth, you don’t and

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:26pm

How are they meaningful?

TNT

6/24/19 7:29pm

BYU was ranked #20 last year after week 4, and we were 3-1!

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:36pm

BYU cannot thrive in the Independent framework

TNT

6/24/19 7:38pm

Cool. I’ll support BYU til the day I die, and I think you will too.

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:51pm

TNT never attended BYU

TNT

6/24/19 8:06pm

Defeatist? Being a G5 built us into the program we once were. A dominant

777

6/24/19 7:13pm

So your solution is ... to close up shop? It’s not the 70s and 80s anymore.

Cougblau

6/24/19 7:16pm

We haven’t been that since the 80’s man.

che flaco

6/24/19 7:40pm

And don’t even get me started on how you’d react when BYU (Gasp) didn’t

Cougblau

6/24/19 6:55pm

Yeah our players only want to win if there is a MWC championship on the line. If

IceCreamButt

6/24/19 7:24pm

I've heard it first hand out of players mouths. Past and present.

777

6/24/19 7:27pm

I just don't see how indy would make that much of a difference with those things

swingcat

6/24/19 6:45pm

Most Y fans don't see it. Always pointing to everything else. Fans underestimate

777

6/24/19 6:49pm

When thinking of BYUs past accomplishments, is it really the past conference

che flaco

6/24/19 6:54pm

The past titles built our brand. You don't get to those Holiday Bowls and

777

6/24/19 6:58pm

If your point is that indy has been a step back from what we had in MWC...

swingcat

6/24/19 6:56pm

1. TNT doesn't want the MWC. 2. WCC sucks for hoops

TNT

6/24/19 6:58pm

You bring in recruits by winning, not by who you play. Some of the all time

777

6/24/19 7:02pm

Well I think we can agree it's a combination of winning AND who you play.

swingcat

6/24/19 7:03pm

Are you talking about the championship that Boise hosted which drew 12k less

fortysixn3

6/24/19 9:13pm

That ain't truth. That's just messing with some numbers.

oxcoug

6/24/19 6:47pm

Where is he wrong?

84 Grad

6/24/19 6:48pm

Everything and anything as it pertains to cause and effect.

oxcoug

6/24/19 6:51pm

So the Indy scheduling wasn't supposed to attract better recruits? So you

777

6/24/19 6:55pm

Not beating Utah has NOTHING to do w Indy. In our worst loss to Utah they were

oxcoug

6/24/19 7:01pm

You are missing the point. Why did we have those great years in

777

6/24/19 7:05pm

The landscape of the late 70s has zero meaningful comparable characteristics to

oxcoug

6/24/19 7:09pm

RE: So the Indy scheduling wasn't supposed to attract better recruits? So you

swingcat

6/24/19 7:17pm

He's not even arguing to a point. He's just complaining about how bad things have been as an independent.

HuskerFan2

6/24/19 7:42pm

How can I prove things would be better? You make your bed and lie in it. We

777

6/24/19 7:58pm

I fail to see how Indy is the cause of all that and how staying in the MWC would

che flaco

6/24/19 6:51pm

I’m guessing you’re not a scientist who does peer-reviewed academic studies on a

chilango

6/24/19 6:52pm

Hey hey. No reason for name calling

TNT

6/24/19 6:53pm

Yeah, BYU can't beat Utah because the team is independent...

jaromp

6/24/19 6:53pm

And Indendepence doesn't appear to utilize BYU's strengths

TNT

6/24/19 6:55pm

Could it be that BYU has been floating in the "no man's land" of independence

kolob32

6/24/19 7:31pm

Bingo

777

6/24/19 7:33pm

Correlation not Causation

Tare

6/24/19 6:58pm

How many times does BYU beat Utah if we're still in the MWC?

mwcoug

6/24/19 7:01pm

777

6/24/19 7:02pm

This is amazing. Thank you.

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:04pm

Was I supposed to say 0? Too bad we'll never know, and too bad it's been

777

6/24/19 7:09pm

Because there is 0 evidence that Indy is the cause of byus woes against

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:13pm

I disagree. It's a mindset. Indy has made us a lackluster program with no chip

777

6/24/19 7:17pm

That’s a theory that you have no means of proving.

Bossk82

6/24/19 7:21pm

USU hasn't passed jack. LOL. Nobody gives a rip about USU

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:25pm

Keep your head buried in the sand and ignore this stat....Since 2010

777

6/24/19 7:31pm

Phil Steele himself said on the radio the other day that USU hasn’t passed BYU.

Bossk82

6/24/19 7:43pm

Yeah and they womped BYU last year

TNT

6/24/19 7:43pm

They sure did. Embarrassing for sure.

LiveCoug

6/24/19 7:47pm

So if BYU wasn’t independent, the team wouldn’t have all those countless

Bossk82

6/24/19 7:20pm

RE: 3

che flaco

6/24/19 7:11pm

Ever since the Wikileaks scandal broke, we can't beat Utah. Curse you Assange!

Goliath

6/24/19 7:06pm

And you think staying in the MWC would have stopped the losses to Utah?

mudpupper

6/24/19 7:11pm

RE: And you think staying in the MWC would have stopped the losses to Utah?

777

6/24/19 7:19pm

BYU independence is causing global warming and the bees to die.

Eddie

6/24/19 8:10pm

RE: BYU independence is causing global warming and the bees to die.

777

6/24/19 8:22pm

Truth Serum. Since Indy.

Bin01015

6/24/19 8:11pm

Can't argue that. If that's what it's about great.

777

6/24/19 8:23pm

Not my preferred approach but afraid some in admin might.

Bin01015

6/24/19 8:52pm

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