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Jun 18, 2019
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Odysseus
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Beat Utah and be a Top 25 team around 50% of the time
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This post is so accurate. You can’t deny that the truth hurts. Although, there
bigbossbyu
6/18/19 1:13am
I think you probably made a good point but the wall of text was too much
Jericho
6/18/19 1:43am
Lol. My phone isn’t formatting properly, no matter how many edits I make..
bigbossbyu
6/18/19 1:47am
The paragraph was a great invention. Try it sometime.
Soy Celeste
6/18/19 1:49am
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bigbossbyu
6/18/19 1:53am
A couple issues with your analysis
donnerstag
6/18/19 4:44am
I’d say out of LaVell, Bronco, & Kalani that Kalani inherited the strongest
Odysseus
6/18/19 8:18am
What do you think are the appropriate expectations?
Indy Coug
6/18/19 8:23am
Beat Utah and be a Top 25 team around 50% of the time
Odysseus
6/18/19 8:38am
Be a top 25 team 50% of the time? Then your expectations are too high, IMO.
Indy Coug
6/18/19 8:58am
In today's environment it is much more difficult for BYU to finish in the top 25
DoseOfReality
6/18/19 9:48am
No, just no. Several MWC and AAC teams finish in the top 25. We can too.
Iki_Balam
6/18/19 11:24am
The max number of losses for a team finishing in the top 25 last year was 4.
DoseOfReality
6/18/19 11:34am
That was average for Bronco, btw. KS could easily do that, but he can't.
Iki_Balam
6/18/19 4:08pm
No don’t try to be all pragmatic and realistic, this is CB
icecougar
6/18/19 2:07pm
Well, you obviously were not a Cougar fan in the 80s and early 90s. The min...
BleedCougarBlue2
6/18/19 4:53pm
Yeah. Stop living in the past. The landscape of college football has changed dramatically since then.
Indy Coug
6/18/19 4:59pm
Also BYU had one of the worst bowl records in the nation under LaVell
Indy Coug
6/18/19 5:51pm
06-11 BYU finished in the top 25 five times.
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 6:19pm
Which promptly stopped when independence happened and the P5 scheduling shot up
Indy Coug
6/18/19 6:40pm
Finished top 25 in 2011. Spent time ranked every year but 2016 and 2017.
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 7:14pm
50% of seasons finishing in the top 25 is unrealistic. Unless we go back to the days
Indy Coug
6/18/19 7:42pm
Have to also remember Bronco was playing TCU/Utah who were top 25
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 7:44pm
If Kalani or anyone else can get 50% top 25 seasons vs 4-7 P5 teams
Indy Coug
6/18/19 7:54pm
Bronco did just that if you count TCU/Utah as P5.
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 8:19pm
haha...he only made it into the Coaches poll in 2011 after USC was dropped...
icecougar
6/19/19 6:01pm
We were literally talking about top 25 seasons which it qualifies.
Mr. Scoobs
6/19/19 6:41pm
that 10 win season included the 54-10 loss to Utah, easily BYU's most...
icecougar
6/20/19 10:39am
Was it disappointing? Yes. Does it meet the criteria of "top 25"? Yes.
Mr. Scoobs
6/20/19 10:45am
Which promptly stopped once all of Crowton's recruits left the program after ...
icecougar
6/19/19 5:16pm
10-3 top 25 in 2011. Finished 26 in sagarin in 2012.
Mr. Scoobs
6/19/19 5:25pm
hmmm... you used a lot of excuses in defending Bronco. The hypocrisy is...
icecougar
6/19/19 5:14pm
It's defending BYU, not Bronco. We had a good a chance as any in 2016
Mr. Scoobs
6/19/19 5:21pm
No, you are bitter that Bronco left and for some reason feel the need to take...
icecougar
6/20/19 10:56am
I think I have a better grasp on my feelings/thoughts. I don't care who
Mr. Scoobs
6/20/19 11:07am
If you aren't feeling pain with current state football you aren't a passionate
Mr. Scoobs
6/20/19 11:17am
I disagree. Bronco inherited a much stronger collection of experienced talent
donnerstag
6/18/19 8:28am
I'd say you are wrong.
Benfica1
6/18/19 9:02am
Bronco by far had the strongest group of players to work with when he came in....
Coug
6/18/19 9:12am
It seems like the cupboard was bare for Kalani because he used it so poorly
Odysseus
6/18/19 10:03am
Please list the players that were good under Bronco that regressed under Sitake
donnerstag
6/18/19 10:07am
RE: Please list the players that were good under Bronco that regressed under
Odysseus
6/18/19 10:10am
Trinnaman and Bushman never played for Bronco
donnerstag
6/18/19 10:16am
That’s a list of players who failed to develop under Kalani. I just don't see
Odysseus
6/18/19 10:21am
You're hurting your own credibility
donnerstag
6/18/19 10:29am
I was lazy and referenced a post of players who failed to develop under Kalani
Odysseus
6/18/19 10:31am
Bushman is still in the program and is the #4 ranked draft eligible
donnerstag
6/18/19 10:43am
Just win, baby. Kalani is 100% responsible for the W/L record. He’s in season
Odysseus
6/18/19 10:47am
Taysom was slow that year. The foot injury has to be considered.
Colorado
6/18/19 10:39am
Apparently his prior injuries are Sitakes fault.
Coug
6/18/19 10:46am
Are you serious? Like, how about the NFL talent!?
Iki_Balam
6/18/19 11:27am
Bronco had a group of players...
Coug
6/18/19 10:17am
Bronco benefited from Crowton (who handed over a dumpster fire) but Kalani
Odysseus
6/18/19 10:30am
Bronco took over an undisciplined group of players...
Coug
6/18/19 10:39am
and Kalani did great when he had great talent. 2016 they were 8 pts away from...
icecougar
6/18/19 3:11pm
Yep. And that was year 1. Year 2 drop off was HORRIBLE.
GOR
6/18/19 10:47am
and thank heavens we've moved well beyond that now
icecougar
6/18/19 3:50pm
Hardly
icecougar
6/18/19 2:06pm
That’s quite the revisionist history
Odysseus
6/18/19 2:32pm
RE: That’s quite the revisionist history
icecougar
6/18/19 3:14pm
He inherited enough to not finish #112 in 2017.
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 8:28am
When you say Sitake underperformed in 2016
donnerstag
6/18/19 8:36am
We finished 39 in 2016. Broncos AVERAGE finish was 33.
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 10:14am
He also inherited an OC not of his choosing
RICoug
6/18/19 8:43am
Nobody ever argued that BYU shouldn't have dropped so low. Coaches messed up and
Benfica1
6/18/19 8:54am
If last year wasn’t a 63 finish (worst since 17 and 03) then we could move on
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 10:41am
Crouton wasn’t fired for just his won / loss record. He had lost control of the
Soy Celeste
6/20/19 2:05pm
But most here would also agree the on-the-field performance wasn't good enough.
Mr. Scoobs
6/20/19 2:54pm
Agreed. The team was trending down.
Soy Celeste
6/20/19 3:09pm
that was a pretty lame analysis. How do recruiting class rankings ever...
icecougar
6/18/19 3:24pm
In no way should BYU finish #112 or lose to multiple bottom 10 teams
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 3:28pm
yes and it was 2 seasons ago and we have done better and there is plenty...
icecougar
6/18/19 3:48pm
Point being a 112 finish and a 63 finish after a decade of a 33 average
Mr. Scoobs
6/18/19 4:17pm
what is controversial is your intellectually dishonest approach and..
icecougar
6/19/19 1:50pm
There are no objective measures that indicate the program has improved under KS.
Mr. Scoobs
6/19/19 1:59pm
it doesn't matter what Bronco did after 2005, if your approach is to ...
icecougar
6/19/19 4:53pm
We have more than 1 year of evidence and a bowl game after 3 years of missing
Mr. Scoobs
6/19/19 5:03pm
Also, if 20-19 isn't good enough then 6-6 certainly is unquestionably not...
icecougar
6/19/19 4:58pm
55 was Bronco’s WORST finish in year 1. It’s better than KS AVERAGE.
Mr. Scoobs
6/19/19 8:10pm
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Abe Froman
6/18/19 9:32am
Here’s what’s so correct yet so wrong about your analysis
run26
6/18/19 9:41am
Obviously not. BYU employs non-LDS coaches. There is no official rule that says
Benfica1
6/18/19 9:47am
So it’s not a requirement that the HC be LDS?
run26
6/18/19 10:02am
I'll add to that BYU should've been a nearly undefeated team in 2016 if not for
Ash
6/18/19 10:40am
Praise this brother who speaks the truth!
Iki_Balam
6/18/19 11:31am
even so TH was still recovering from his lisfranc, maybe Detmer did that to...
icecougar
6/18/19 3:21pm
I have an idea, instead of arguing about talent, can we win against our rivals?
Iki_Balam
6/18/19 11:22am
Sorry I didn't see your post donnerstag. I basically copied you.
Ned Schneebly
6/18/19 11:39am
On one of your first points
BYUFam1
6/18/19 8:13pm
Agreed. It’s put up or shut up time for Kalani. There is reason to be optimistic
Odysseus
6/18/19 6:10am
I'd be happy even if we only beat Utah. Please just beat Utah once this decade.
Iki_Balam
6/18/19 11:35am
My viewpoint is that the Church will not likely use "church funds" to finance BYU sports. In fact, they will do all
Rhino84
6/18/19 8:25am
No need for church funds, the AD ran a $10.5M surplus last year.
NorCal_Coug
6/18/19 9:42am
And there are many areas that they can be more profitable.
wilsdad
6/18/19 10:49am
It's just a gut feeling, but I get the sense that our major sports (football and
blue13
6/18/19 9:41am
I feel like Kalani is on the right track now. (Fingers crossed)
BlueBeliever
6/18/19 10:39am
Because of LDS missions, BYU coaches should have at least 2 extra years
Bee Chunder
6/18/19 11:09am
It’s not just unfair, it’s unreasonable
icecougar
6/18/19 1:51pm
Poor argument parameters (not apples to apples)...
icecougar
6/18/19 1:31pm
Says the guy who is freeloading here....
Thrill
6/18/19 2:09pm
So you have to spend $ here to have an intelligent opinion? Really?
BleedCougarBlue2
6/18/19 4:47pm
Agreed: min 7-5 with a win over Utah or Sitake goes. Isn't 4 seasons enough....
BleedCougarBlue2
6/18/19 4:50pm
It’s borderline sad/depressing to be a BYU fan today
Cader
6/18/19 5:14pm
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