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Apr 23, 2018
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Baron
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She did not necessarily lie. It would need to be intentional and it does not
appear that she even thought of that fruit. At worst it is a misstatement, which is very different.
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Personal responsibility is gone. Woman blames airline because she didn't declare
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 6:34am
I'd be pissed, too, but not at the airline. $500 fine for having an apple?
frontrowcougar
4/23/18 6:45am
Seriously just throw it away. No damage done.
JuicyJam
4/23/18 7:01am
Yeah, we had a US border guard offer two options when he found us in possession
StarMan
4/23/18 7:50am
The exact same thing happened to me.
canuck
4/23/18 8:37am
I can’t count the number of times I’ve brought Kinder Eggs over the border...
Taullis
4/23/18 11:21am
My kids (probably aged 14-24 at the time) held up our bag of chocolates which
StarMan
4/23/18 11:28am
Figures. We always just say oh about $xxx worth of candy. Might be why
Taullis
4/23/18 1:28pm
Everything about this situation has the appearance of a customs guy on a power trip
buffgato
4/23/18 7:14am
We need to focus more on abuses like this.
HighHorse
4/23/18 7:16am
Preach, brother!
frontrowcougar
4/23/18 9:06am
That really was uncalled for.
Six Foot Seven
4/23/18 8:18am
I would agree if it were in the normal customs line. In fact, that's likely how
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:28am
You can imagine him being a jerk, but it's entirely possible that his reaction
StantonMac
4/23/18 9:49am
Fair point.
buffgato
4/23/18 9:54am
Did she get the apple after filling out the form?
mobomanjoe
4/23/18 6:48am
No, the form is on a kiosk on the ground
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 7:21am
I've never seen that, only the paper ones they hand out when you board
buffgato
4/23/18 7:23am
She was global entry, which only has kiosks. She's also held to a higher
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 7:29am
Unfortunately, not all US airports have installed the kiosks yet
specsauce
4/23/18 8:02am
Airlines are required to give you the customs form in the air, even if GE.
mik3
4/23/18 10:12am
That's not correct. Many immigration and customs facilities don't even accept
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 10:43am
That's what I thought too, but FA insisted. So I took the form, NBD.
mik3
4/23/18 10:53am
Not true anymore. My last international flight was form free
LaserCoug
4/23/18 11:26am
Right, I suspect it has to do with arrival airport.
mik3
4/23/18 11:28am
Our flight crew was normally based in in airport that doesn't have the kiosks
LaserCoug
4/23/18 12:32pm
Bad form by delta. They should let people know about that risk. It is not
Baron
4/23/18 6:58am
What difference does it make if the fruit is considered French or US? The form, in plain language, asks if you have
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 7:19am
If it is already considered in the US, she is technically not bringing it in the
Baron
4/23/18 7:24am
they aren't asking if you are bringing in fruit from a foreign country - the form asks if you have any fruit on you. If
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 7:38am
You don't know that she lied. And it does matter about the situs of the fruit.
Baron
4/23/18 7:41am
Those who believe in the unlimited power of the State
HighHorse
4/23/18 7:48am
You are wrong as to the law - country of origin does not matter with declaring this fruit. All fruit must be declared
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 7:49am
Maybe, I would still make the argument until I saw specific case law to suggest
Baron
4/23/18 7:51am
Yeah, calling her a liar is bizarre
buffgato
4/23/18 7:54am
I have no sympathy for someone blaming a business when the error is hers. Here is the question she was asked on the
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 7:58am
Is she blaming Delta or making a suggestion?
buffgato
4/23/18 8:01am
I blame the business for bad customer service. A better business would alert its
Baron
4/23/18 8:01am
And this is why we have to tell people not to eat Tide Pods, or why we have to
Radioactive Coug
4/23/18 8:11am
I do think the whole fine was dumb, but to blame Delta is...
Radioactive Coug
4/23/18 8:12am
I'm not convinced she is blaming Delta
buffgato
4/23/18 8:14am
She is blaming everybody but herself
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:19am
We don't really know that though
buffgato
4/23/18 8:33am
Fair, but even some people on this thread are.
Radioactive Coug
4/23/18 8:34am
I think they could certainly do more to ensure this doesn't happen in the future
buffgato
4/23/18 8:36am
I blame oppressive agents who know the intent but push the law beyond reason.
HighHorse
4/23/18 8:05am
That's a very hard line approach and should not be the normal in a free society
HighHorse
4/23/18 7:27am
??? a society shouldn't expect people to tell the truth on government forms?
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 7:39am
Society should dole out fair punishments and fair judgments
buffgato
4/23/18 7:41am
What if a person makes an honest mistake on the form because they didn't
Baron
4/23/18 7:43am
You sign your tax return under penalty of perjury. Have you ever made an error
frontrowcougar
4/23/18 8:50am
Is this how you approach everything in life?
byuTX
4/23/18 7:54am
It doesn't matter. If you have fruit you are required to declare it. She lied
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 7:24am
She did not necessarily lie. It would need to be intentional and it does not
Baron
4/23/18 7:26am
Of course she did. The kiosk asks if you have any fruit, vegetables, or plants
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 7:47am
Actually I am and had the interview recently. No such emphasis at all. And you
Baron
4/23/18 7:49am
There is a certain comfort for people who see everything in black and white. Takes less work, thought
byuTX
4/23/18 7:59am
So to be clear, you are saying that declaring that you do not have any fruit,
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:01am
Obviously she made a mistake
buffgato
4/23/18 8:03am
She agreed to that enforcement when she signed up for Global Entry
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:04am
Doesn't make it any less ridiculous. Based on your position, you believe
Baron
4/23/18 8:06am
Not really a valid comparison
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:38am
I get that, but that doesn't mean you have to be the enforcer in every case
buffgato
4/23/18 8:07am
Do you think it deserves a $500 penalty?
HighHorse
4/23/18 8:08am
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Indy Coug
4/23/18 8:27am
For somebody with Global Entry? Yes. For somebody without? No.
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:32am
In my experience, GE doesn't get treated that differently at customs.
mik3
4/23/18 10:07am
No. Wow byuTX was clairvoyant on you. Everything black and white.
Baron
4/23/18 8:05am
If you want to champion facts and circumstances, you have to consider all of the
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 10:00am
I'm glad you're not my judge
buffgato
4/23/18 7:26am
He would be a good prosecutor. Ignore the whole issue and focus on guilt.
Baron
4/23/18 7:26am
*terrible prosecutor
byuTX
4/23/18 8:13am
Power to the State!!!
HighHorse
4/23/18 7:29am
What a stupid rule! I’d be pissed too
Colorado
4/23/18 7:22am
Until reading this article it wouldn't have occurred to me at all that I would
Cosmodiar
4/23/18 7:38am
And the likelihood of forgetting about that apple entirely is high
buffgato
4/23/18 7:39am
The Customs Agent should be fired. That clearly goes against the intent of the law
HighHorse
4/23/18 7:46am
"Bringing" suggests you got it prior to the fligh, IMO.
fattycoug
4/23/18 8:10am
The question is if you have any fruit with you
Skeptical Optimist
4/23/18 8:21am
It says are you 'bringing' any fruit. It's easy to assume that it means if you
fattycoug
4/23/18 8:33am
She found out that the gov't defines "bringing" as "crossing the border with an
Six Foot Seven
4/23/18 8:21am
Crazy to me that things are so black and white for some of you guys.
SuperTank
4/23/18 8:31am
I think the big argument isn't the fruit, it's shifting blame instead of owning
jaredm
4/23/18 9:29am
the max fine is $1k. She got $500. Seems reasonable. We need to deter people from sneaking in infected
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 11:07am
Maybe we should ban airlines from giving away infected fruits.
Cosmodiar
4/23/18 11:14am
And apparently we need to deter people from making stupid mistakes too
Colorado
4/23/18 11:22am
There is a court where she can appeal the fine. She used global entry. The standards for her are higher.
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 12:39pm
Do you enjoy the Civil Asset Forfeiture laws too?
HighHorse
4/23/18 7:31pm
Easy for someone in your position to think $500 is reasonable.
SuperTank
4/23/18 11:41am
she's flying with GE - the standards are higher for her - It's very unlikely that if she went through the normal
HarlemCoug
4/23/18 12:37pm
I've declared fruit that I forgot I had until after I got off the plane. You
LaserCoug
4/23/18 10:02am
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