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Mar 20, 2018
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Archaea
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Where will you find the extra tax dollars?
To pay teachers more, you will need to tax more. How much more are you willing to pay in taxes, principally property taxes? Are you willing to fund labor costs through other taxes?
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How I feel about public school teachers: The best are underpaid...
kccougar
All-American
3/19/18 1:38pm
I didn't say that first part very well. Bottom line is I don't have a problem with saying teachers should be paid more
kccougar
3/19/18 1:45pm
...even more precisely, good teachers should be paid more. Bad teachers should
Iman23
3/19/18 1:53pm
How do I judge a good teacher? Test scores?
MormonThug
3/19/18 3:21pm
Part of the salary structure is simple economics. There's an oversupply of
BYUMizzou
3/19/18 2:57pm
Supply and demand for sure play a role in this.
Eddie
3/20/18 9:35am
Where will you find the extra tax dollars?
Archaea
3/20/18 11:07am
My wife is in her 4th year teaching and I used to have similar opinions.
JAGA97
3/19/18 1:58pm
This. I would love to see the OP job shadow a teacher for a week and then report
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 2:09pm
What would you like me to report on?
kccougar
3/19/18 2:15pm
Your experience with how easy or difficult it is to be a teacher.
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 2:18pm
Great. Will you job shadow me in return and report on how easy it is to do my job?
kccougar
3/19/18 2:23pm
Absolutely. I don’t think I’ve made any disparaging remarks about your
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 2:27pm
As an outside observer of your little scuffle here, I didn't see any
ChiCityCoug
3/19/18 2:38pm
I appreciate your perspective. I did find several parts of the OP disparaging.
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 2:46pm
On the last one you quoted he did say it was a very important job 😉 but
ChiCityCoug
3/19/18 2:58pm
Fair enough.
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 3:06pm
I think I've been consistent in my statements on the issue
kccougar
3/19/18 3:55pm
Can you share your job title and/or description?
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 5:38pm
Restaurant mystery shopper.
kccougar
3/19/18 5:45pm
I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not.
Capricious Cougar
3/19/18 6:03pm
any job with unions has trouble firing bad teachers and rewarding good
Archaea
3/19/18 2:55pm
You know what? There are a lot of people who work much harder for less pay and
dreamlvr
3/19/18 2:11pm
As a close observer I disagree. I wouldn't do my wife's job for 250k a year.
JAGA97
3/19/18 2:16pm
I'd do it for $250k. You might be too rich to be objective.
displacedute
3/19/18 2:37pm
I don't believe a single person that is "too rich" has a wife teaching school.
JAGA97
3/19/18 3:41pm
The market is usually pretty good at establishing wages.
dreamlvr
3/19/18 4:58pm
Except that it's pretty documented that "women's work" is underpaid as a
runnincoug
3/19/18 5:03pm
Why do they go into it, or stay there, for that matter, knowing they’re
dreamlvr
3/19/18 6:38pm
I would teach full time for that pay, maybe not the same age group.
Archaea
3/19/18 2:53pm
Opinions do change with first hand experiences with teacher spouses
Hedonic Threadmill
3/19/18 2:14pm
In a perfect world, better teachers would be paid better than lower achieving
jaredm
3/19/18 2:01pm
Not only do teachers have to deal with complicated, moody, immature human beings
Eddie
3/19/18 2:07pm
Pediatricians are the lowest paid in the medical world; they deal with the same
Archaea
3/19/18 2:52pm
You are correct. Of course, pediatricians and teachers are paid the same, right
Eddie
3/21/18 11:48am
In a perfect world, everybody would be highly paid.
Archaea
3/21/18 12:05pm
Most doctors aren't paid by patients. They're paid by insurance companies.
Eddie
3/21/18 12:10pm
That might be emotionally appealing but not accurate.
Archaea
3/21/18 2:16pm
So - we just don't care if they're educated then?
Eddie
3/21/18 3:08pm
Look at what we spend on student loans; look how much parents spend on
Archaea
3/21/18 4:11pm
What you're talking about is called "performance pay." We've been kicking it
BYUMizzou
3/19/18 3:09pm
Here in Colorado they've been trying to balance out performance pay. 25% of
jaredm
3/19/18 5:11pm
I'm all for raising teacher salaries with the stipulation that increases in pay
dreamlvr
3/19/18 2:09pm
I think the reason a lot of teachers you have interacted with aren't very good
displacedute
3/19/18 2:15pm
This is so true. Many of the best teachers go to grad school to change careers
runnincoug
3/19/18 3:46pm
I worked in a teaching environment for 4 years. Part of that time I was a
UberDeek
3/19/18 2:29pm
The complicating factor for me is the enormous amount of time off that teachers
Game Changer
3/19/18 2:40pm
The practicality is the cost. A large component of the cost of public education
Archaea
3/19/18 2:50pm
Here's my biggest issue with school districts:
displacedute
3/19/18 3:10pm
Until you get ride of the union and stop politicizing this issue, there will not
coolblue
3/19/18 3:16pm
Fair post. Many teachers absolutely deserve better. However
BigEasyCougar
3/19/18 3:50pm
Remember these are public employees. It is very difficult to differentiate
Archaea
3/21/18 12:06pm
This is why I find a blanket pay raise problematic.
BigEasyCougar
3/21/18 3:19pm
But if you were a government bureaucrat and air traffic controller
Archaea
3/21/18 4:12pm
I don’t know what the best solution is.
BigEasyCougar
3/21/18 6:58pm
Once you become a public servant, you become permanent unless
Archaea
3/22/18 10:20am
Do you think that is a good thing?
BigEasyCougar
3/22/18 12:51pm
You and I won't change the way it is. If I could reorganize gov't, I'd
Archaea
3/22/18 6:24pm
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