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Sep 21, 2017
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JarJarBeeps
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Locked out of the big boys club? I'm happy to bash BSU as much as the next guy
but don't pee on me and tell me it's raining. BSU has been to more Big Boy bowls than 90% of P5 teams the last 15 years.
I wouldn't call that locked out.
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Help me understand why multiple losses to P5s is better than
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:20pm
Without looking who won the sunbelt last year? C USA? See no one cares
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 2:21pm
now see if they can name the MWC and AAC
Nat Gas Man
9/21/17 2:24pm
nope nobody cares, G5 is the new FCS
Nat Gas Man
9/21/17 2:25pm
And who cares about BYU right now, or since Indy?
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:36pm
If we were 4-0 all of cfb would care right now.
CarolinaCoug
9/21/17 2:54pm
But..we're not.and they don't.
JarJarBeeps
9/21/17 5:14pm
Every year. Ugh.
SaintGeorgeYFan
9/21/17 5:52pm
2019 is a 0-4 start, indy is great!
blackshirts
9/21/17 6:46pm
How can a guy with the board name "blackshirts" want to play a schedule of
SolidBlue
9/21/17 8:54pm
If UMASS won every game...
blackshirts
9/21/17 6:47pm
No non-BYU fan could tell you what our record has been for 6 years, either.
Junior Deputy
9/21/17 4:01pm
Im gonna guess Houston or Navy and then Boise probably for MWC
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 2:26pm
Houston and SDSU
Nat Gas Man
9/21/17 2:28pm
*Temple
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:34pm
SDSU and Temple. No I didn't look that up.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:33pm
If you are looking to kill the program theres not many quicker ways than going G5. Not only will our payout be smaller
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 2:38pm
how about not being ranked since going independent, where other G5's
franklyvulgar
9/21/17 2:45pm
But that doesn't hold water.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:56pm
I can think of fans right now who would jump ship for Utah if BYU went G5. You are right winning is important but who
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 3:03pm
I can see a lot of fans who are jumping ship right now because of the all the
JarJarBeeps
9/21/17 5:17pm
Clearly not true fans then. And how many are already jumping ship because we
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 10:36am
To add to that. This team this year would be fighting for third to sixth in MWC
NachoCougar
9/21/17 2:57pm
We aren't talking about one isolated year.
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 12:55pm
We say that every year in the WCC
NachoCougar
9/22/17 2:31pm
I disagree. We may have been outsiders, but we were regularly in the top 25
IronPotato
9/21/17 7:58pm
BYU wouldn't be playing in the Sun Belt or C-USA. Poor response.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:30pm
Whats the difference?
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 2:32pm
The MWC and ACC go to NY6 bowls and end the season ranked.
SaintGeorgeYFan
9/21/17 5:55pm
Because it's a false dichotomy. This isn't the choice before us.
chilango
9/21/17 2:21pm
Obviously. More of a question for fans who prefer one over the other.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:34pm
I'd rather watch BYU play a good team (and sometimes lose) than watch them
8-track
9/21/17 2:36pm
Sometimes?
byupacker
9/21/17 2:36pm
Sure. I'd rather lose most of the time if it means playing real teams.
8-track
9/21/17 2:37pm
I agree. Quality of opponents is more important than winning.
Cooler4
9/21/17 2:41pm
I was at the wisconsin game, the attendance there tell me a lot disagree
franklyvulgar
9/21/17 2:53pm
I wonder if Vanderbilt feels the same way.
kolob32
9/21/17 2:56pm
If vanderbilt wanted to win right now they could easily join the sun belt. They dont because they are smart and know
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 3:05pm
As a fan I would take Boise State in MWC over Vanderbilt in SEC any day
kolob32
9/21/17 3:26pm
You would rather be forever locked out of the big boys club than get millions with the shot for greatness
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 3:36pm
Locked out of the big boys club? I'm happy to bash BSU as much as the next guy
JarJarBeeps
9/21/17 5:22pm
Exactly how I see it, bsu is viewed as P5 more than vanderbilt
kolob32
9/21/17 5:41pm
They will never, I repeat never have the chance to play for a title. Vanderbilt has that option
monkeycowboy
9/21/17 6:04pm
I'm sure that thought gives vanderbilt fans comfort.
kolob32
9/21/17 6:19pm
Wow, TIC?
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:57pm
I think this would be better phrased: I'd rather watch BYU play a good team
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 2:38pm
The games are more fun to watch. Having the possibility (however remote) of
8-track
9/21/17 2:43pm
^^This^^ 100% agree.
Cooler4
9/21/17 2:46pm
For individual games, I agree with you. But not for a season.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 3:00pm
Agree 100%. I'm an out-of-state season ticket holder and also go to the
vaquero
9/21/17 5:41pm
We absolutely do have the means to compete. It's amazing what a bit of losing does to some of y'all's spines.
CalGTR
9/21/17 3:01pm
I think it helps more in recruiting than in the eyes of fans
SUAVO
9/21/17 2:43pm
sure hasn't helped our recruiting so far, this isn't the first year as Indy
franklyvulgar
9/21/17 2:47pm
When we were in a conference, we wanted to play bigger teams more often. We wanted a shot at the big guys.
CalGTR
9/21/17 2:49pm
I don't disagree with you. However, it is hard to do this when the school
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 3:07pm
We're getting murdered in the WCC.. G5 may be our undoing...
NachoCougar
9/21/17 2:54pm
Who cares about a G5 conference championship? No one
Mr. Belding
9/21/17 3:01pm
Everyone who won a championship last year, and everyone in those conferences.
TheLoneCougar
9/21/17 3:08pm
It’s like the NIT. No one cares.
Mr. Belding
9/21/17 3:13pm
Who is no one? National media pays their respects, coaches and players want it
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 7:44am
What's the point of a G5 championship?
Freddie Cougar
9/21/17 3:10pm
What is the point of any championship in any sport?
Junior Deputy
9/21/17 4:03pm
What’s the point of anything?
Mr. Belding
9/21/17 4:04pm
Where am I? What happened to my pants?
Junior Deputy
9/21/17 4:12pm
There's no value in winning a championship in an irrelevant conference
Freddie Cougar
9/22/17 6:47am
Your logic is stunning. Every BYU championship in any sport since the beginning
Junior Deputy
9/22/17 6:53am
Guess what we have a strong label on par with the P5. We shouldnt throw it away. Like any p5 program we are in a positio
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 7:38am
For every passing reference to us as a P5-caliber school, there is a passing
Junior Deputy
9/22/17 7:44am
G5 is becoming less and less relevant with each passing season. Lets take our history and build on it. Your plan would
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 7:49am
ESPN called us G5 last week re: the Wisconsin game. Look it up.
Junior Deputy
9/22/17 10:15am
So struggle in mediocrity for some off the wall chance we end up making it to
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 7:48am
Lots of football teams struggle. Every year only a handful get to play in meaningful bowl games. Everyone is playing for
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 7:54am
That just doesn't hold weight.
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 8:07am
Mediocrity is too harsh a word for a team that wins 8 or 9 games a season
Freddie Cougar
9/22/17 9:21am
That is the definition of mediocrity. 8-9 wins a season with no Top 25 ranking.
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 9:29am
No, mediocre would be going 6-6 against middle of the road teams.
Freddie Cougar
9/22/17 9:35am
There really isn't much of difference between 6-6 and 8-4...
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 9:51am
The world changes. The current system has rendered football outside of the P5
Freddie Cougar
9/22/17 8:48am
When has football outside the P5/BCS/Bowl Alliance ever been relevant?
Junior Deputy
9/22/17 10:46am
I don't even think the NY6 are relevant any more
Nat Gas Man
9/22/17 11:57am
There's some truth to that.
Freddie Cougar
9/22/17 2:10pm
Well I guess we should discount any championship we have every won in any
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 7:46am
What have those conference championships gotten us since? BYU winning a Natty helped create the system wherein the Power
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 7:50am
They have gotten us ranked in the Top 25, media support, and exposure.
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 8:10am
Utah and TCU had far less of these special conference championships. I dont think its the reason they were taken and
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 8:13am
I'm not necessarily comparing this to why BYU wasn't taken.
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 8:25am
Why wasnt boise taken? They have been to more NY6 games than any other G5. Its because of other circumstances.
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 8:34am
BSU wasn't taken because they don't academically fit and are in Idaho
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 8:45am
One thing to keep in mind is that the gulf between the haves and have nots is wider than when TCU and Utah were taken
monkeycowboy
9/22/17 8:51am
Fair point.
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 9:01am
If we beat Utah this year this board would look totally different
GhostofPostersPast
9/21/17 3:12pm
A lot of flipper IF's on this board.
blackshirts
9/21/17 6:53pm
The question should be
teancum
9/21/17 4:31pm
Let's go Big Sky and win conference championships and national championships!
GilbertAZCougar
9/21/17 5:04pm
We can clobber G5s this year and who cares
Coogar2
9/21/17 6:45pm
We make more money this way. Period. Does that help you understand?
kiyoshige
9/21/17 6:57pm
Wow, clearly. What has that money done for us?!
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 7:50am
However bad you think our current coaches facilities and all else you mention
kiyoshige
9/22/17 11:44pm
We would be the exact same is my point. The facilities that we do have
TheLoneCougar
9/23/17 7:55am
What about other sports? Also our athletics program
kiyoshige
9/23/17 10:13pm
it'd be pretty awesome if we could play our schedule in reverse order
Hill4Heisman
9/21/17 7:08pm
Some of us want to be the best. Being the prettiest girl at an ugly girl party isn't the satisfaction I want..
HarlemCoug
9/21/17 7:58pm
Perfect comparison. 👍👍👍
SolidBlue
9/22/17 9:11am
So who cares about winning, or going out with best looking person. Just want
TheLoneCougar
9/22/17 9:17am
I don't think our record would be much better in the MWC this year
RobDog
9/21/17 8:52pm
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