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Feb 21, 2017
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Z-rex
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For all of you in the "Fire Rose" camp
Broda
2/21/17 11:02am
Please don't confuse them with facts. It will hurt their fragile feelings.
PhilPete
2/21/17 11:07am
He has had a great ten years. Show me a coach who has done less with more in the
monkeycowboy
2/21/17 11:13am
I could name a dozen teams that do less with more. Look at LSU, Miss St, Tex A&M
Broda
2/21/17 11:27am
It could also be much better. Im willing to take the gamble rather than settle
monkeycowboy
2/21/17 11:31am
Lorenzo Romar at UW.
zagdontzig
2/21/17 12:02pm
When did one and done start?
BDAWG
2/21/17 11:15am
Wait, post season is all that matters, yet Rose has 2 more post-season wins in
Broda
2/21/17 11:29am
2 More Conference Tournament Championships - make it 5 to 5
BDAWG
2/21/17 11:33am
Also, 1986-1995 THERE WAS NO PLAY IN GAME.
BDAWG
2/21/17 11:37am
Of course the game is different. There is no perfect comparison. But the
Broda
2/21/17 11:54am
Helps playing in the WCC.
BDAWG
2/21/17 11:57am
And before it was the WAC, or MWC. Same teams just different names.
Broda
2/21/17 12:53pm
have not threatened to make the round of 32 since Jimmer
cwilke1
2/21/17 1:06pm
I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....
WJCougar
2/21/17 11:16am
RE: I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....
TucsonCatMan
2/21/17 1:24pm
RE: I am not in the Fire Rose camp....but you have to look at just WCC stats....
TucsonCatMan
2/21/17 1:25pm
What is he trajectory of BYU basketball? Direction of a program matters as much
unctoothman
2/21/17 11:16am
If you want to fire rose this season, you're crazy. But his seat should be warm.
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:17am
I say we let him coach until we finish 5th in the WCC, average 5K fans in
Sock Gnome
2/21/17 11:20am
We're not bad on defense. It's a myth. In fact BYU is in the top 20% of teams.
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:23am
Right...
monkeycowboy
2/21/17 11:27am
Sorry, it's just a fact. We have the #70 defense in the country.
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:34am
And that's a fact, Jack. KenPom's one stat is the be-all, end-all of defensive..
Sock Gnome
2/21/17 11:53am
Until something better comes along, you're right, it is.
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:59am
Better stat: 6. That's the # of WCC losses this year. Double what they should
unctoothman
2/21/17 2:56pm
Are you the coach? No? Then you should care.
Z-rex
2/21/17 5:06pm
Not this discussion again. There's 100 ways you can argue how good our defense..
Sock Gnome
2/21/17 11:28am
Adjusted defensive efficiency accounts for pace and most other factors.
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:35am
That's just fantastic. So as long as we have a good defensive "efficiency" then
Sock Gnome
2/21/17 11:43am
Then don't understand how to play basketball. You can disagree with the
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:53am
If we were winning games we should win, then this wouldn't even be a discussion.
Sock Gnome
2/21/17 11:56am
You're right about that, and kenpom calls it 'luck' we're one of the unluckiest
Z-rex
2/21/17 12:02pm
ppg is probably the best way to determine who won an actual game and how much
monkeycowboy
2/21/17 11:44am
It's actually not. The fact that you can't see that is enough evidence for me
Z-rex
2/21/17 11:49am
Compare 2007-2011 to 2012-2017.
fbguru
2/21/17 11:20am
The coach is the same, the only difference in that span is high school gyms.
Bert609
2/21/17 11:33am
Also missionary age. It's like he never recovered from that.
fbguru
2/21/17 11:41am
But the assistants are not the same, and in my opinion this is the crux of it
teancum
2/21/17 12:48pm
Please go and find the last 6 year span in BYU basketball history
OC Coug
2/21/17 11:22am
Whether you want to fire him or not, no one can deny a shake up is needed in
BYUheaven
2/21/17 11:24am
There's also the what, 6 bench points in the last 3 games
monkeycowboy
2/21/17 11:27am
Something like that.
BYUheaven
2/21/17 11:32am
I agree that a shakeup is needed, but firing rose would be a huge knee-jerk
Broda
2/21/17 11:34am
Regular season wins don't mean a ton though.
southernfriedcougar
2/21/17 11:37am
So what is the goal? I feel that many on here have unrealistic expectations.
Broda
2/21/17 11:46am
A conference championship, for starters.
southernfriedcougar
2/21/17 1:24pm
Btw, i don't think there's a "but" after those things you just said.
southernfriedcougar
2/21/17 1:28pm
To win the wvc but start with not losimg to uvu et al.
CarolinaCoug
2/21/17 8:37pm
We are in the same boat
BYUheaven
2/21/17 11:38am
I remember a certain coach bragging about # of wins from years before too
Y4LYFE
2/21/17 11:32am
Rose shouldn't be fired. But the seat is definitely warm.
sidsie716
2/21/17 11:36am
There are two realities
blucoug18
2/21/17 11:37am
4 NCAA tournament wins. 8 NCAA tournament appearances.
Blue Cat
2/21/17 11:41am
Solely based on this stat, how would we rank?
Q-grr
2/21/17 2:57pm
Tied for 43rd in tourney wins. Tied for 11th (w/ 8 teams) in tourney appearances
Blue Cat
2/21/17 5:16pm
He has taken the program higher
BYU '80
2/21/17 11:43am
As a program evolves and gets better, fans continue to expect more improvement.
lightmann
2/21/17 11:45am
DotCOM and Housing Bubbles.....Yummy
Q-grr
2/21/17 2:59pm
Same lame arguments were made for Bronco.
Gerald-DeGroot
2/21/17 11:56am
They play more games in regular season now. 20 wins is easier to reach.
CougarThug
2/21/17 12:07pm
That's why I included winning percentage. You won't find a stretch with a better
Broda
2/21/17 12:12pm
I don't care. He is doing terrible and the team always has the same issues that
TutumTeRoboreReddam
2/21/17 12:10pm
Define terrible.
Broda
2/21/17 12:12pm
Rose is partially a victim of his own success. Also, what has people starting
jreid191
2/21/17 12:14pm
I don't think I have ever said Rose needs to be fired. I am very disappointed
idacoug
2/21/17 12:37pm
He's coasting. Period
Epileptic Beagle
2/21/17 12:51pm
Our previous Coaches stunk. Doesn't mean the future can't be brighter than Rose.
IronPotato
2/21/17 2:50pm
I put together some #'s two off-seasons ago that showed this as well
wisconsincougs
2/21/17 3:14pm
Please post this daily...the 'fans' here need this to step back from the ledge.
Blue streak
2/21/17 4:42pm
So if you had 4 aloths racing and hired a turtle to race and that turtle
CarolinaCoug
2/21/17 7:22pm
This only makes sense if we're racing against turtles, or in a vacuum. There are
wisconsincougs
2/21/17 7:31pm
We have..start with the wcc,teams like uvu,san diego, etc.
CarolinaCoug
2/21/17 8:41pm
English will help your arguement, whatever it may be.
Blue streak
2/21/17 8:57pm
Truth. Ao point is we are in wcc we are coaching vs turtles..
CarolinaCoug
2/21/17 9:16pm
I have no idea what you are trying to say. English please. Spellcheck is your
Broda
2/21/17 8:40pm
True, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
Harrison0Yfan
2/21/17 4:55pm
Zags better than any team? Utah sucked way bad in 96, 97, and 98
Shteve
2/21/17 5:03pm
Honestly haven't seen many in the "fire Rose" camp...
Roko's Basilisk
2/21/17 6:02pm
A lot of coaches decline as they age.
Bullrider
2/21/17 9:10pm
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