Position coach at a podunk college vs HC at a HS. The difference is HUGE!!!!!

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Aug 26, 2014
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Blog: Is Nick Howell the Next Coach at BYU? View

[Lawless Republic] Jake Hadlock

8/26/14 6:05am

What about 2J? He actually has HC experience.

flyusaf

8/26/14 6:07am

Out of the two....Nick or 2J

Heinz57

8/26/14 6:10am

I remember when Chow was the heir apperent. could you imagine

stonecougar

8/26/14 6:12am

Agreed - Nick needs to leave the state of Utah one time in his life.

oxcoug

8/26/14 6:16am

I agree. I'd have no problem with him being the guy if he succeeds elsewhere too

BarraCouga

8/26/14 6:24am

Sure, right after Doman.

cougarick

8/26/14 6:08am

What unbelievably stupid speculation.

oxcoug

8/26/14 6:15am

Just what BYU needs: Break new ground by hiring the first ever

oxcoug

8/26/14 6:20am

Amen brother Ox, amen!!

Heinz57

8/26/14 6:22am

Think of the good publicity we would get if we hired the first Woman HC

HighHorse

8/26/14 6:28am

ESPN would pick us up for another 7 years for sure!

IndependentGeorge

8/26/14 6:42am

Hadn't thought of this - first openly gay HC?

oxcoug

8/26/14 6:48am

Even better. This will get us an invite into the PAC-12.

IndependentGeorge

8/26/14 6:53am

First openly gay women HC.

maxpowers

8/26/14 10:43am

Don't forget color

Sportsroof

8/26/14 11:09am

The playing college football is just short of irrelevant to me.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 6:38am

I hear your POV here - but there's a reason it's never happened

oxcoug

8/26/14 6:42am

He actually went to Snow College to play football and received a major.......

Anubius31

8/26/14 6:52am

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Anubius31

8/26/14 6:54am

OK. Not to be dismissive, but basically that means

oxcoug

8/26/14 7:05am

Point taken. Just was pointing out a fact that very few people know

Anubius31

8/26/14 7:07am

Don't leave out Gary Anderson

digitalayon

8/26/14 9:11am

Summary of the logic found in this blog post:

oxcoug

8/26/14 6:40am

I like Sitake. I'd kind of like him to go somewhere else first...

BarraCouga

8/26/14 6:47am

I would bring in Kalani...

Heinz57

8/26/14 6:49am

Is this the same Sitake who has never lived outside KWhitt's shadow?

cougarick

8/26/14 6:50am

1. Sitake played college football; 2. He was a GA at BYU; 3. He coached at S.

oxcoug

8/26/14 7:03am

What was I thinking discounting that long and distinguished coaching career

cougarick

8/26/14 7:35am

Hah, OK - you can say "Sitake and Howell are the same, except not

oxcoug

8/26/14 7:45am

I really don't care where you interned. I just don't. If you do, that's you.

cougarick

8/26/14 8:07am

Howell's rise seems less impressive to someone familiar with BYU and some of

russkiejedi

8/26/14 8:11am

And KWhitt has a great reputation for hiring coordinators?

cougarick

8/26/14 8:16am

Ouch. That one's going to leave a mark...

BarraCouga

8/26/14 8:20am

Haven't seen much of a problem with his DC hiring. Sitake is a well-regarded

russkiejedi

8/26/14 8:24am

Honestly, it's a moot point. If Bronco quit tomorrow, it would be Anae.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 8:28am

Who "hates" Howell? Being skeptical of his resume and his meteoric rise from GA

russkiejedi

8/26/14 8:37am

You must not have been around the board much.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 8:45am

I'm on the board all the time. Surely if it's so obvious, you can easily point

russkiejedi

8/26/14 8:58am

I could share some boardmails I have...but I won't.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 9:05am

But this thread hasn't been about hating Nick Howell. It's been about the

russkiejedi

8/26/14 9:11am

The hating comes from refuting the article.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 9:25am

That would all be true if he hadn't already gotten a job well above what

russkiejedi

8/26/14 9:34am

And if you were a professional, I'd say your opinion on his resume' matters.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 9:39am

Poll every single head coach in DI about where they'd think a guy with Nick

russkiejedi

8/26/14 9:49am

Skepticism is fine. You will note, every post of mine on this has skepticism.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 9:53am

Again, aside from a few boardmailers, who is "trashing the guy?"

russkiejedi

8/26/14 9:58am

I said the Howell hatred baffles me. You admit it exists. It still baffles me.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 10:04am

You responded to my post with "I don't understand the hate."

russkiejedi

8/26/14 10:51am

And I still don't and won't understand the hate. But you can keep asking.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 10:55am

So it's blatantly obvious that you're one of Nick close relatives, the

marriottcoug

8/26/14 2:12pm

I've been traveling the world in the Army for the past 25 years.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 2:23pm

Nick is a "mini me" of Bronco....

Heinz57

8/26/14 8:42am

That Sitake and Howell are the "only" options for HC in 10-15 years is a reach,

randomplay

8/26/14 8:45am

Which is why I said "IF" the resume' supports it.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 8:48am

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BarraCouga

8/26/14 8:46am

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BarraCouga

8/26/14 10:01am

I certainly hope it wouldnt be anae.

El Joffrey

8/26/14 10:31am

Except for Utah's defense regressing every single season that Sitake's been the

cougarick

8/26/14 8:37am

That regression has coincided with a significant increase in schedule strength.

russkiejedi

8/26/14 8:40am

Not the first two years he regressed their D as DC, and it's debatable if there

cougarick

8/26/14 9:01am

If you've been able to convince yourself that Howell and Sitake have comparable

russkiejedi

8/26/14 9:18am

It's not "convincing," it just is. One is simply further along than the other,

cougarick

8/26/14 9:39am

Good grief. I suppose if you narrow the scope of the argument far enough, it's

russkiejedi

8/26/14 9:55am

I've focused on what's going to qualify them to maybe one day be considered for

cougarick

8/26/14 10:04am

Who is talking about internships? Sitake was a position coach at Eastern AZ, and

russkiejedi

8/26/14 10:48am

Ruskie, we're both just gonna have to roll our eyes and agree to disagree

cougarick

8/26/14 11:05am

There you go again. He was a position coach in two programs

oxcoug

8/26/14 9:28am

Position coach at a podunk college vs HC at a HS. The difference is HUGE!!!!!

cougarick

8/26/14 9:42am

Yeah, actually it is. Howell has only ever been evaluated or promoted by one

oxcoug

8/26/14 9:53am

He got hired as a HC in high school. That's a hire...and not from Bronco.

BarraCouga

8/26/14 9:59am

I know I'm not supposed to say this here but right now

Walter Bellhaven

8/26/14 7:22am

historically, the outside hires have all been bad. Not that it guarantees it

BlueK

8/26/14 8:55am

Sample size of 1?

Walter Bellhaven

8/26/14 9:19am

Lavell was an inside hire.

Accipiter

8/26/14 9:36am

Sample size of 2?

Walter Bellhaven

8/26/14 9:38am

If I give you more you'll just count... right?

Accipiter

8/26/14 9:41am

A sample size of one in the modern era of college football =

oxcoug

8/26/14 9:55am

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Abe Froman

8/26/14 7:39am

Great on-field product

gustav88

8/26/14 8:25am

Please no. Some of our promotions from within are crazy enough as it is.

southernfriedcougar

8/26/14 8:19am

and yet the article makes an interesting point about outside hires for HC at BYU

BlueK

8/26/14 9:01am

You think that's an interesting point? Strikes me as an irrelevant point since

oxcoug

8/26/14 9:51am

That's also the same virtually as Lavell. I think he was hired maybe 2 years

Accipiter

8/26/14 9:59am

This whole article is pointless and stupid

ManicBlue

8/26/14 9:08am

all true

BlueK

8/26/14 9:09am

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever....

Smoke Monster

8/26/14 9:08am

Ken Nuimatalolo... he would be my first call.

Accipiter

8/26/14 11:47am

THIS! Niumatalolo or Sitake all the way.

doctorthunderpants

8/26/14 12:18pm

Isn't Anae the next head coach?

gobyu

8/26/14 11:55am

Head coaching pedigree: Zero.

Mars

8/26/14 12:02pm

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