Dec 13, 2024
10:58:08am
10:58:08am
What the heck just happened.......... Need legal help
Hey BP! Ive owned a property for 16 years with almost no problems. Now in the last 48 hours I find myself in a total and literal quagmire. I know I will need to get some legal advice, but I am really looking for some input on where I should even start. Over the past 2 days I have discovered this timeline of events that have occurred since I owned the property.
Here are the players
Me - Owner
OG Developer - Original Developer that improved property before I purchased
New Developer - New Developer currently building a new subdivision
Water District - Own the vacant land that my sewer line runs across
City - Well, The city
Timeline:
1982 - House built by original owner.
2007 - OG developer purchases large 1 acre lot with the original house with the intent to subdivide and create a small PUD.
2008 - Improvements are made (new street, sewerlines, storm, power, water) are brought into the subdivision. Because the existing house was too low the developer followed the rough location of the old sewer line and installed a new sewer line to connect to the existing house. This was not per plan. Never noted on city plans. City assumed it was tied into new sewer system. This sewer line runs under 2 of the other subdivided lots that were intended to have houses on them about 400' away and ties into a city main 1 block away from the house
Oct 2008 - I purchase the home and everything is great, assuming all is per plan.
2010 - Developer sells one of the lots that my sewer runs under to the Water District for a future clean water well site. There is no sewer easement or anything recorded that my active line is there. The developer is the only one that would know where the sewer runs as it was not per plan. City or Water District has no record of it.
April 2024 - New developer starts a new subdivision 500' away from my property. They excavate the sewer main for their tie in, while exposed they cut my active line and capped it. City believes it is an old abandoned line.
August 2024 - first signs of backup in my house. Poop filling my downstairs shower and utility room. I hire a contractor to jet the line. He doesn't have the capacity to make it to the end of the 400' line but does his best. He recommends that i get permission to add cleanouts on the other properties. Sewer seems to work fine. No more problems, no more action.
Dec 2024 - Sewage backing up in the house again. I hire a contractor to install a cleanout further down the line so we can discover what is going on. City gets involved. They find inspection pictures from April showing my capped line from the New Contractor but they are not totally sure. They subtlety put the burden of proof on me to show that my line is capped so my contractor continues to install cleanouts so we can flush and scope
- cleanout has to be put on the Water Districts vacant property. I call for permission. They deny access and say they don't want any cleanouts on their property. Contractor says we have an easement so we are okay to access. Drama..... we pull off the property return it to existing conditions and the city allows me to install the cleanout on city property in the sidewalk area. We cut the line and vacuum 8 months worth of poop, and prove the line was capped.
- City instructs the New Contractor the tear up the road and reattach and tap my line back into sewer main. (happening today)
-City informs me that i don't have any easement rights because nothing was ever recorded. They also inform me that the Water District is planning to force me to vacate, and remove my sewer line off their property.
-I inform the Water district that our repairs are done. After scoping we discovered that I do have a cleanout in the middle of their property that they buried when they graded the lot in 2010. They respond thanking for me for keeping them informed.
I am currently holding the bag with about 10k in repair work to get the line functional, but greatly fear the day the water district needs me to remove my sewer line.
What would you do from here?
How can i prevent the Water District from making me remove my sewer line?
Here are the players
Me - Owner
OG Developer - Original Developer that improved property before I purchased
New Developer - New Developer currently building a new subdivision
Water District - Own the vacant land that my sewer line runs across
City - Well, The city
Timeline:
1982 - House built by original owner.
2007 - OG developer purchases large 1 acre lot with the original house with the intent to subdivide and create a small PUD.
2008 - Improvements are made (new street, sewerlines, storm, power, water) are brought into the subdivision. Because the existing house was too low the developer followed the rough location of the old sewer line and installed a new sewer line to connect to the existing house. This was not per plan. Never noted on city plans. City assumed it was tied into new sewer system. This sewer line runs under 2 of the other subdivided lots that were intended to have houses on them about 400' away and ties into a city main 1 block away from the house
Oct 2008 - I purchase the home and everything is great, assuming all is per plan.
2010 - Developer sells one of the lots that my sewer runs under to the Water District for a future clean water well site. There is no sewer easement or anything recorded that my active line is there. The developer is the only one that would know where the sewer runs as it was not per plan. City or Water District has no record of it.
April 2024 - New developer starts a new subdivision 500' away from my property. They excavate the sewer main for their tie in, while exposed they cut my active line and capped it. City believes it is an old abandoned line.
August 2024 - first signs of backup in my house. Poop filling my downstairs shower and utility room. I hire a contractor to jet the line. He doesn't have the capacity to make it to the end of the 400' line but does his best. He recommends that i get permission to add cleanouts on the other properties. Sewer seems to work fine. No more problems, no more action.
Dec 2024 - Sewage backing up in the house again. I hire a contractor to install a cleanout further down the line so we can discover what is going on. City gets involved. They find inspection pictures from April showing my capped line from the New Contractor but they are not totally sure. They subtlety put the burden of proof on me to show that my line is capped so my contractor continues to install cleanouts so we can flush and scope
- cleanout has to be put on the Water Districts vacant property. I call for permission. They deny access and say they don't want any cleanouts on their property. Contractor says we have an easement so we are okay to access. Drama..... we pull off the property return it to existing conditions and the city allows me to install the cleanout on city property in the sidewalk area. We cut the line and vacuum 8 months worth of poop, and prove the line was capped.
- City instructs the New Contractor the tear up the road and reattach and tap my line back into sewer main. (happening today)
-City informs me that i don't have any easement rights because nothing was ever recorded. They also inform me that the Water District is planning to force me to vacate, and remove my sewer line off their property.
-I inform the Water district that our repairs are done. After scoping we discovered that I do have a cleanout in the middle of their property that they buried when they graded the lot in 2010. They respond thanking for me for keeping them informed.
I am currently holding the bag with about 10k in repair work to get the line functional, but greatly fear the day the water district needs me to remove my sewer line.
What would you do from here?
How can i prevent the Water District from making me remove my sewer line?
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